Possibly time to start putting this thread to bed dear people..? ?
Actually, now is exactly the time to start speculating. Perhaps a new thread?
Possibly time to start putting this thread to bed dear people..? ?
Possibly time to start putting this thread to bed dear people..? ?
Good idea…
Interesting comments.
What is it about this thread that is now making you two uncomfortable? The comment about “brown dudes” maybe?
And is it usual for a thread to be “put to bed” on the whims of just 3% of the contributors?
This week's New Yorker does a good job of explaining this tragedy. A well-sourced story of murderous incompetence, hubris and willful avoidance of the law, with many knowledgeable people trying repeatedly to head off the inevitable.
“Murderous incompetence, hubris, and willful avoidance of the law”?
Sounds like the name of a venture capital or private equity firm.
I wonder if his passengers were aware of all those warnings
I wonder if his passengers were aware of all those warnings
The Frenchman, Nargeolet, who had a lot of relevant experience had received very specific warnings from experienced colleagues and responded, in effect: there are worse ways to die.
That’s a stupid cliche. I’m what way was it romantic or chivalrous or respectable to be crushed to death in 1/20th of a second - it likely happened so fast that the crew didn’t even know they died, so they couldn’t have even “enjoyed” the moment
A good salesman can sell almost any BS.
Trouble is, when designers stand by their work and ride it to the depths, and it has succeeded in the past, selling BS is all that much easier against many outside opinions of severe danger.
One reason I never flew commercially after the USCG, is I had a hard time trusting organizations where I didn't get to know the crew personally and where the mechanics didn't necessarily fly the same aircraft I was. In the USCG I could trust the guys in my crew with my life...they certainly trusted me to bring them home.
So trusting others becomes a tricky issue... it's when outsiders stress that what you are doing is unsafe but the inner circle can sell you that it's not.
I think that's the idea behind it. It's an attempt to do something cool, and if it fails and kills you, it's likely to be so fast you won't feel a thing.
The world of intelligence is one of smoke and mirrors. The US Navy might have decided to leak very specific information regarding capabilities on purpose. The information they know seems to be all over the Interwebs is very specific and it would seem the USN knew early on that the sub had imploded and that there were no survivors. So why leak information regarding capabilities especially on a system or system(s) that have not been discussed very much? SONUS was well known when it was in operation, the replacement to SONUS has been kept quiet.
Later,
Dan
I imagine the beneficiaries can kiss any life insurance goodbye.
SONUS??? Not to be nit picky, but I think you are referring to SOSUS?
Sound Surveillance System (SOSUS) was the original name for a submarine detection system based on passive sonar developed by the United States Navy
Yes, I made a type o, and it should have been SOSUS.
Shouldn't that be typo? Type O is a blood type.
Yes, the thread has reached that point.
One reason I never flew commercially after the USCG, is I had a hard time trusting organizations where I didn't get to know the crew personally and where the mechanics didn't necessarily fly the same aircraft I was.
Find this somewhat limiting and not logical. In terms of death per 100k I think it goes
Cars/personal trucks
Trains
Commercial carrier airplanes.
Now a days unless you can read codes and play with electronics some of the work on your car/truck is likely done by others. Although freight trains have made the news with fair regularity recently passenger deaths remain infrequent as does commercial airline passenger deaths.
Unfortunately in so many aspects of our life (medicine, clean water, food etc.) we are dependent upon others for our safety. Sure have no issue with trust but verify. Yes there are multiple occasions they let us down. Nor have issue with vetting providers and choosing accordingly. But do have issue with people making decisions on factors other actual statistical risk. Same occurred within Covid. Risk was 4 in a million. If your risk of death was greater than 4 in a million especially if it was multiples of that risk benefit justified doing it. My risk of death is greater doing my ablutions in a shower or making love with my wife than flying a commercial carrier . Maybe I’ll add grab rails and such but with still try to stay clean and enjoy my true love. When i worry about planes augering in I think the pilot is in front and he/she knows they will hit first.