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A sailboat under sail power always has the right of way.
A sailboat under sail power always has the right of way.
First off the container ship is a commercial vessel that has limitedSo a huge container ship coming up the channel should what, go behind a sailboat's stern?
And that is just one example of many!
First off the container ship is a commercial vessel that has limited
manuability , taking a bit longer to turn even if they decide to do so. Add that to a marked channel for the ship's depth requirement and the size difference, that pleasure sailboat will never win a case in court. But those sailboat folks mostly likes to think they have the right of way , but few challenge the issue past throwing a beer or two at those ships.:<}
The days of automatic Rights of Way are long gone. Got a question? Call them on the radio. No answer? Proceed as if the crew is dead.
Sorry, but just about all of your statements are incorrect in the eyes of the Navrule..now they might make some logical sense, but the rules are clear....and do not align with this reasoning.
For those wishing specific explanations, there are qiuite a few in the other thread and certainly easy to figure out if you glance through the Navrules or Colregs.
. Are willing to bet on a container ship being fined or held liable for running over a pleasure craft sailboat in a marked and restrictive channel?
I understand that completely. But the laws of tonnage applies too. Running the Miss River is another case in point where the south bound current further restricts proper handling for commercial traffic in particular. So you cannot say without a doubt that that a weekend warrior out for a day cruise has the right or way. That's just plain wrong.Yes.....absolutely.
Common sense says I can do 70 in a 55 zone on an interstate with no traffic around...but it aint the law......
Learning the rules isnt that hard...opposed to all the guessing how to do jit right .....why do many here seem to fight it so?
Here you go:
Rule 18 - Responsibilities Between Vessels
Except where Rules 9, 10, and 13 otherwise require:
(a) A power-driven vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing;
(iv) a sailing vessel.
(b) A sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing.
(c) A vessel engaged in fishing when underway shall, so far as possible, keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver.
(9, 10 and 13 get to narrow channel, vessel separation schemes, and overtaking, respectively).
I understand that completely. But the laws of tonnage applies too. Running the Miss River is another case in point where the south bound current further restricts proper handling for commercial traffic in particular. So you cannot say without a doubt that that a weekend warrior out for a day cruise has the right or way. That's just plain wrong.
Yep,
There is no "rule of tonnage", and you just perpetuating ignorance, bad navigation, and poor seamanship by repeating it.
I'm 100% with psneeld on this. Rather than everyone making up whatever rules seem right to them, just learn and follow to ones that you are supposed to know, and required to follow.
Yep, that's obvious. But we were talking about sailing craft versus a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;.except...
Rule 3
The term "vessel engaged in fishing" means any vessel fishing with nets, lines, trawls, or other fishing apparatus which restrict maneuverability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict manageability.
People use "right of way" very loosely as it only appears in the COLREGS for Western Rivers and then ONLY to differentiate between upstream and downstream bound vessels. The Correct term is "Stand On and Give Way for vessels overtaking, passing or meeting on different courses. Neither stand on or give way vessels escape the liability of keeping a vigilant watch nor the obligation to avoid a collision by all available means. I suspect that the sailboat will be assessed a portion of the blame in this case.
of course we don't know whether the sail boat was also motoring, and that would completely reverse who is stand-on and give-way.
Often quoted but incorrect. An example would be a sailing cat overtaking a power boat at displacement speeds.