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But as TT pointed out the Cat engines which were not built after 1993 which were also 235 HP and not 435HP as per the ad. This ad must have been written on April 1st and there is no such boat for sale.

Pretty sure they continued to make the 3208 for marine use until 1998 or 1999. They put turbos on them to get the hp higher. I just saw a Riviera 1998 with 435 hp 3208s. They stopped making the 3208 for commercial trucks etc. because of emission standards.
They are not “sleeved” engines so a rebuild is more extensive. I just finished a sea trial and survey on a 1998 with 3208s. The engines and generator oil samples were good, the transmission oil samples were not. So I passed on the sale.
 
Pretty sure they continued to make the 3208 for marine use until 1998 or 1999. They put turbos on them to get the hp higher. I just saw a Riviera 1998 with 435 hp 3208s. They stopped making the 3208 for commercial trucks etc. because of emission standards.
They are not “sleeved” engines so a rebuild is more extensive. I just finished a sea trial and survey on a 1998 with 3208s. The engines and generator oil samples were good, the transmission oil samples were not. So I passed on the sale.
yes we have it at 1999 now.
 
Hi,

I have been on that boat if it is the one in Sneek.
It was heavily modified in a way that doesn't make sense to me. (widened the salon, at the cost of the walkway)

It was done in a way that seems esthetically wrong. There are also some other modifications that don't make sense

Rest of the boat looked ok, no visible evidence of sinking or so, just those modifications were a dealbreaker for me.

Our conclusion (unsupport by evidence) was that someone wanted a bigger, better boat, and made some unfortunate design choices.

Regards,
Eric
 
Mambo
Good job on getting solar array design to cover power needs. A few questions:
-- Is your current vessel's genset and charging system sufficient to keep the batteries topped up if solar slows for a day or two?
-- What is your gensets fuel burn?
-- How big are your loads for hot water, water maker, refrigerators and cooking?
Thanks
 
Hi,

I have been on that boat if it is the one in Sneek.

Regards,
Eric

Hi Eric

It is indeed the one in Sneek and the enlargement of the salon is kind of weird, makes stern to docking very complicated (but can be done). Good to hear there are no other items on the boat that are in bad condition.
Did you take the boat out on the water as well or just saw her in the shed ? Kind of curious how she behaves in the water, apparently now only has a CE rating of C.

If I may ask, what other modifications were made that did not make sense to you ?
 
To Upgrade or Not

I'm with Commodave, I have always thought that Flemings are the most gorgeous boat out there, not that I am likely to ever own one. But I hope the Fleming you are considering is not the one listed by Knot 10, which is in the Chesapeake area? A buyer's broker who I remained friendly with after buying our last boat spoke to me about it, because of our conversations about Flemings, but it seems to have been on the market for a long time, which at the price it is listed for is suspicious.
Sounds like you have spent a lot of time, effort and money to make your current boat into exactly what you want, but I think we all dream about the next one, and how it could be better "if only we had a...."
I just finished reading a 15 or 20-year old article in Passagemaker about a couple who were finally living on their "dream trawler", except then he wrote a long article about all the features he would like to have in his "dream boat"!
Good luck no matter what you decide!

Peter
 
Hi Eric

It is indeed the one in Sneek and the enlargement of the salon is kind of weird, makes stern to docking very complicated (but can be done). Good to hear there are no other items on the boat that are in bad condition.
Did you take the boat out on the water as well or just saw her in the shed ? Kind of curious how she behaves in the water, apparently now only has a CE rating of C.

If I may ask, what other modifications were made that did not make sense to you ?


Could the "C" rating be that because the mods were done after the original mfg. rating was done and subsequently was not re tested and re rated by a Naval Architect so it is given a C rating by default? Possibly the removal of the aft bulkhead without engineering documentation to prove structural integrity drops the rating also? Also the strength rating of the new hull side windows could be a factor.



What makes the boat harder to stern tie? It appears to have walk through doors into the widened area so one can pass through the bar from the side decks to the stern area.


The pics of the boat, while possibly misleading do look pretty good. Someone appears to have spent a lot of money to make the boat fit their needs. Since the boat appears to be well under priced and it has been on the market for years possibly the boat does show less than acceptable quality in the modifications that were done.
Look really deeply into the mods when you get aboard, inside the cabinets,under the seats, inside of inspection panels at the work that was completed.
All that being said, she does look like a nice boat, the widened area doesn't look bad IMHO. Other that walking through the salon and getting it wet I don't really see a problem in the design.
HOLLYWOOD
 
Hi Mambo,

I saw the boat in the boathouse at an open day before covid, so memory is not 100%. Never took her out and cant comment on handling.

Most strange things have already been mentioned, aftermarket stabilisers, strange built year of engines, nav electronics replaced by recent but small standalone equipment. Main screen at the helm is now a windows PC I believe.

I also remember the kitchen being closed off to the saloon. Making it all feel very small. I think all Flemings have an half open kitchen with a kind of bar seperating it from the saloon, but in this case you barely had room to shuffle around the table to get to a seat.

Some kind of plastic flooring is covering the flybridge floor, and that is probably a wood cored structure, so I wonder what is hiding underneat that.

All in all we discarded this as an option within the first 10 minutes, and stopped investigating.

I think I was most put off by the saloon exension, which was clearly not original, and stood out as something an amateur with 2 buckets of epoxy would put together.
Maybe you should get clear some pictures of that are before you travel a long way to see her.

Regards,
Eric
 
Mambo
Good job on getting solar array design to cover power needs. A few questions:
-- Is your current vessel's genset and charging system sufficient to keep the batteries topped up if solar slows for a day or two?
-- What is your gensets fuel burn?
-- How big are your loads for hot water, water maker, refrigerators and cooking?
Thanks

I had 2 x 12 V 90 A alternators on the boat plus 4 x 150 Wp solar panels. That set up could not keep the house bank charged if we had a few days of bad weather. The genset is a 6 Kva Cummins Onan, which needed to be used for the heavy load equipment (washing machine, dishwasher, water maker, cooking stove etc), so that was not what I wanted.
The house bank at the time was 12 V 600 Ah.

Also had a Victron Multiplus 12 / 3000 and a Fraron 5 in 1 12 V 3000 inverter charger, but they could not communicate at all. All the battery switches were bypassed, so that you could not isolate a single battery if that would be necessary.

The genset uses about 3 ltr per hour at full load and if I would have to run the generator 24 hours per day I calculated (did not measure it) it would use about 30 ltr per day. Over a 30 day period that would be 900 ltr and with 3200 ltr on board I would use, in a 2 month period, more than half the available fuel for the generator instead of for cruising.

I was unhappy with that whole set up, it was inefficient, dangerous (all the by passes) and when I found battery cables (and other cables) of which the insulation was cracking up it became an easy decision. Everything had to come out, organize it and redo most of the wiring. The electricians then suggested to go up to 24 V, so as to lower the Amps and prepare for the lithium batteries.

My boiler is a combined electrical and cooling water system. When the engines are running the hot cooling water goes through the boiler and the electrical heater is not used. When the engines are off it uses only electricity and that is 5 A at 220 V. Since it is a relatively small boiler, it heats up real quick (appr 20 min from cold to warm, which is 60 degrees Celsius), so total of 1.7 Amp at 220 V, which will be about 17 A at 24 V (roughly) and it is heavily insulated, so does not lose temperature. that quick.

The water maker uses 2500 W at 220 V so that is 11 A or 110 A at 24 V and does 150 ltr per hour. Since you should not use it in a port / marina or close to shore we only use it while underway and then it gets powered via the alternators and inverter. We have 2 x 600 ltr fresh water tanks on board and fill up every time we have the chance in a marina or port. Once the tanks are full we don't need to fill them up for about 15 days. Our water usage is minimal, that is something we learned in the Caribbean, where water is at a premium. So that comes in handy and 2 hours water making while underway gives us 300 liters, which will give us about 3 to 4 days easily.

The washing machine uses 4.5 A at 220 V in a cold water program or 9 A at 220 V during a warm water program. The latter we hardly use, 60 degrees Celsius is max, that is enough to get the sweat out of the sheets and salt out of towels. No need to go to a 90 degree Celsius program.

The cooking plate was 6 Kw at 220 V, was electric, but changed it into a 3500 W at 220 V induction plate, which is 16 A or 160 A at 24 V if used at max. Since I can read the amps while cooking I know we use about 4 A at 220 for about 20 min, which is about 40 A at 24 V.
Instead of the induction plate we do use a 2000 W at 220 V grill plate for cooking most of the time, so that is about 9 A or 90 A at 24 V. Grill plate is on for about 30 min max, which means 45 A. This is the only equipment for which we would be willing to start up the genset.

There was brand new 5 Kw electric oven in the boat, I threw it out and replaced it with a combination microwave. That one uses 900 W at 220 V or 4.5 A, which is 45 A at 24 V. Actual use is perhaps a few minutes each time, so about 2.5 A at 24 V.

Our espresso machine is 1500 W at 220 V or 7 A which is 70 A at 24 V, but is only used about 2 min each time (at 3 times per day), which is 6 min so 7 A.

Fridge 1 is 100 W at 220 V or 0.5 A which is 5 A at 24 V.
Fridge 2 is 300 W at 220 V or 1.5 A which is 15 A at 24 V
Freezer is 70 W at 220 V or 0.3 A which is 3 A at 24 V.

If you leave the doors closed, have them stocked up to capacity (cold bank) the compressor will work about 10 min each hour (actually timed it), so that makes a total of 4 - 5 A at 24 V per hour or about 100 A each day.

The dishwasher uses 900 W at 220 V and 6 ltr of warm water from the boiler for a 20 min program. So that is 4 A or 40 A at 24 V, which is 8 A for a 20 min program. Only use it when the dish washer is full, so no unnecessary use for just a few kitchen utensils.

TV is 100 w at 220 V which is 0.5 A or 5 A at 24 V. Basically only in use during Formula 1 races and bad weather :)

Stereo is a normal 12 V car radio as well as a 300 W dolby home theatre system, which is 1.5 A at 220 V so 15 A at 24 V. Again, that is only on during Formula 1 races.

We do have 3 air conditioners on board, each of them Dometic, use 1200 W at 220 V, so about 6 A or 60 A at 24 V, but we have never used them. We like the heat, have been living in the Caribbean for many many years and don't use an air conditioner there. So am actually thinking about throwing them out of the boat and getting our storage space back.

That is about the main equipment we have on board. There is some smaller stuff, but nothing major, only in use when we are underway or in very rare situations.

Of course we do change our behavior a bit when bad weather arrives. If we know there won't be a lot of solar energy we will not start up the washing machine, nor any of the other heavy users. We will get to a max of 200 A at 24 V per day, so with 1000 Ah in the batteries we can go 2.5 to 3 days. If necessary we can start up the genset for cooking to save the batteries, but since it does not make sense to remain in a bay during bad weather the engines will be started up anyway during those days to bring us to shelter and then they will recharge the batteries as well. The moment the sun comes back the solar array will take over. At 50 % efficiency they will charge with about 80 A and that means that in 3 hours they have supplied our full daily use and in about 10 hours they can charge the batteries again. Normal sun hours in the Med in season are between 12 and 14 and usually there are hardly any clouds. Shading to the panels is minimal and the panels are divided in 4 groups, each group has a Victron MPPT controller. Each panel is divided in 3 sections, so that if one section is shaded the other 2 will still deliver at max output.

Long answer, but I hope I touched all the subjects.
 
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I looked at a DeFever, things were progressing until I told the broker and owner, I wanted a ‘drug dog’ to visit the boat. The owner got very defensive so, I lost interest.
 
Hi Mambo,

I saw the boat in the boathouse at an open day before covid, so memory is not 100%. Never took her out and cant comment on handling.

Most strange things have already been mentioned, aftermarket stabilisers, strange built year of engines, nav electronics replaced by recent but small standalone equipment. Main screen at the helm is now a windows PC I believe.

I also remember the kitchen being closed off to the saloon. Making it all feel very small. I think all Flemings have an half open kitchen with a kind of bar seperating it from the saloon, but in this case you barely had room to shuffle around the table to get to a seat.

Some kind of plastic flooring is covering the flybridge floor, and that is probably a wood cored structure, so I wonder what is hiding underneat that.

All in all we discarded this as an option within the first 10 minutes, and stopped investigating.

I think I was most put off by the saloon exension, which was clearly not original, and stood out as something an amateur with 2 buckets of epoxy would put together.
Maybe you should get clear some pictures of that are before you travel a long way to see her.

Regards,
Eric

Thanks for the update. From what we can see on the pictures the dining table looks indeed way too big to fit in that space. I would not want to sit there with 6 persons.
The bar on the other side I also don't understand as well, don't think it will even be used or has ever been used. I would have no problem of throwing that and the dining table out of that space, can use it for something else.

The closed off kitchen I have no problem with myself, but I can understand others don't like it. We have an open kitchen in our Defever as well, but have to be honest, we use that space for basically everything and the kitchen smells do stay in the salon. So a closed off kitchen is fine with me, I saw the window can be opened, which we cannot do on our boat. I was already thinking about changing that on our boat, i like to get some fresh air in, especially during the warmer days.

The engine room and indeed after market stabilizers do raise questions. Why was that done ? And how does it function ? If it functions Ok, can be serviced and does not cause any problems I have no problem accepting it. But if not, we will walk away.
And main question is of course: 'why were the engines changed in a 3 or 4 year old boat ?'

The construction of this extra addition is something important and a naval architect should take a look at it. If it is done in a shabby way then I am not interested. If it is done according to standards then I don't mind too much. We can use the extra space.

I saw the coverings of the dinghy deck and fly bridge. No idea what it is, but curious to find out why and what is below. Can it be returned in the original condition or is this permanent ?

So, there are lots of questions to be answered, hope to hear something from De Valk this upcoming week.

in the mean time we still plan our season in the Med with our Defever and still looking forward to that a lot. So it is not going to be a big deception if we would have to keep her. :)
 
All this discussion is interesting. But it all comes to naught if when you see it the Admiral is not happy LOL! I had a 65ft Choy Lee all lined up and one walk aboard by the Admiral, and that was shut down no matter what the price/condition/deal it was. Have fun and let us know what the site survey discovers. Sounds like you finished one project and need another. Some of us just aren't happy unless we are working on our boats!
 
I'm with Commodave, I have always thought that Flemings are the most gorgeous boat out there, not that I am likely to ever own one. But I hope the Fleming you are considering is not the one listed by Knot 10, which is in the Chesapeake area?

Peter

This one is lying in the Netherlands, but unclear where it was before.

The mods itself are not bad, they create space and when you are living onboard for 7 to 8 months extra space is always welcome. But is must have been done with quality and by a naval architect, in other words the consequences for weight and balance, COG etc must have been calculated. If not, then this is not going to be our boat.
 
All this discussion is interesting. But it all comes to naught if when you see it the Admiral is not happy LOL! I had a 65ft Choy Lee all lined up and one walk aboard by the Admiral, and that was shut down no matter what the price/condition/deal it was. Have fun and let us know what the site survey discovers. Sounds like you finished one project and need another. Some of us just aren't happy unless we are working on our boats!

You are right and the fun part is that she loves this boat, the interior, the extra space, basically everything. So that bridge is crossed :)
 
I looked at a DeFever, things were progressing until I told the broker and owner, I wanted a ‘drug dog’ to visit the boat. The owner got very defensive so, I lost interest.
It's difficult to imagine how such an invasion of privacy would be considered a
routine request. They may doubted that you were a serious buyer at that point.
If anything I would suspect a stranger of planting something to get a better price.
 
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Mambo
Your post #99 detailing electrical loads is very complete and speaks volumes as to your experience and planning.

On a different note, is it a listing typo that the E is missing from CE?
 
Had a drug dog come aboard, all over upholstery etc. Price to pay to get back in the good 'ol USA. But that scary, if doggy gets hit your boat/plane/car now belongs to the feds. You got no rights until cleared back in. Still better than elsewhere where a 16 yr old kid with AK and army boots jumps over and paws thru everything
 
re the stabilizers, were any Flemings built without factory stabilizers? It's understandable if these were added to an unstabilized boat, but really begs the questions of Why if the factory stabilizers were replaced.


I don't know if you will ever get a straight, dependable answer on the boat's history, but my money is still on it being a salvage after some casualty. I could see someone buying a salvage and putting in all the investment that we see in the modifications to create a $500k boat. But I can't see any reason that someone would take a functioning $2M boat and then invests $100s of thousands in modifications to create this it-was-once-a-Fleming one-off boat.
 
Hi Mambo42 - Fleming has ALWAYS been my favorite boat! The lines are just mouthwatering!! Have to say I feel your pain! We just sold a 36 Island Packet - Packetcraft 360 powerboat - not many built but she was nice! I sunk$90k into her with all new electronics, new mast, lights, teak work etc....I got her right where I wanted her......BUT - she was small for us and didn't allow us to take family overnight on the Maine coast. So......after only 2 seasons on the water, we decided to move up.......Just bought a 1999 Krogen 49 Express cruiser......much older, higher times on the engines - needing electronics refit, but still, much larger. We hope to bring her back hime to Maine from Sturgeon Bay WI this spring! When we sold the 36, there certainly was a trade off - I lost money for sure but in the end we know it was the right thing to do. I to saw that Fleming in Europe and dreamed of grabbing her and shipping her back here to Maine......I think like most others here I'd double and triple check all the history of that boat in every way, and if that checks out, and you go into the increased costs with open eyes.........I'd go for it!!!! Have fun and hope to hear about the outcome!

Happy New Year!
John
 
PS - I have also always loved the lines of the Defever!! Really great looking boat !!
 
She is almost at the point where we say: 'now she is perfect', but we still need to spend about 100.000 for stabilizers and about 30.000 for lithiums.
So when I add that to the current value I am not that far off from this Fleming, which has 3 cabins, compared to our 2.

I have to find out how much we need to add or change, have not seen the boat yet in person. Solar panels are missing, so that is a definite item.

My comment would be that I think you should search your sole to find out what you bought a boat for. If you like working on boats and improving them, then maybe the Flemming is a good option. If you want to get out on the water and enjoy using your boat, then I'd stick with the one you can do that with now. You don't need a Flemming to enjoy time on the water.

I've seen a lot of people who buy boats and need to "fix them up" until they are nearly perfect. Boats don't need lithium batteries, they don't need solar, and they don't need stabilizers. You make a choice that you forgo using the boat for the time it takes to install them. One season maybe? I've seen people hanging around their boat in the boatyard saying, "I need to do this, I need to do that" while others are out enjoying their albeit, imperfect boat.

I think Flemmings are one of the nicest looking boats on the water. But I wouldn't buy one if it meant sacrificing a season or two of being on the water.
 
To Upgrade or Not

Mambo,

Once you see the Fleming, it will be really interesting to hear your thoughts. I was thinking about it last night for quite a while, specifically why someone would replace the engines and generators in a boat only 4 or 5 years old, and the only thing I could think of is that the boat sank, or was badly flooded, and all the gear was ruined by salt water. Based on the location of the engines, I can't imagine how you could remove them without opening up the salon, so maybe the extension was an effort to make something good out of it.
Doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it, though, if all the repair work was done well.
Should be a very interesting visit!

Happy New Year
Peter
 
Mambo
Your post #99 detailing electrical loads is very complete and speaks volumes as to your experience and planning.

I have to be honest, I saw one owner of a sailing vessel do it on Youtube and thought it was a glorious idea, so went through the boat, wrote down all the technical info, put it into an Excel sheet and that is basically how I made the calculation.
To figure out the usage of the fridges and freezers I was indeed sitting next to them on a hot day and timing the minutes the compressor was working. :)
Perhaps a bit over the top, but at least I have accurate info at this moment.

On a different note, is it a listing typo that the E is missing from CE?

When it comes to CE ratings an A is the highest, which means you can take her out to sea with force 8 and 4 mtr waves.
A 'C' rating means operating in coastal waters and large bays and lakes with winds to Force 6, up to 27 knots, and significant seas 7 feet high.

Normally Fleming has an A rating, but if this boat really only has a 'C' rating then we can't use this boat. We only operate on the sea, so we need a B rating at least, but preferably A.
 
Mambo,

Once you see the Fleming, it will be really interesting to hear your thoughts. I was thinking about it last night for quite a while, specifically why someone would replace the engines and generators in a boat only 4 or 5 years old, and the only thing I could think of is that the boat sank, or was badly flooded, and all the gear was ruined by salt water. Based on the location of the engines, I can't imagine how you could remove them without opening up the salon, so maybe the extension was an effort to make something good out of it.
Doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it, though, if all the repair work was done well.
Should be a very interesting visit!

Happy New Year
Peter

Happy New Year to you too and indeed to all of you on this forum.

I agree with you, when I heard about the engine replacement I was wondering why on earth would you do that after only a few years. It could have been flooding, but also could have been running the engines with the sea cocks closed (which is what someone did on my boat). But it just does not make any sense.
If the boat was flooded then all the wiring, generator, electrical systems should have been replaced as well and I don't know if that happened.

As for the opening of the boat, I assume that Fleming also has hatches in the salon that can be opened in order to get the engines out. In my Defever we had to empty the whole salon, remove all the insulation and wiring on the ceiling of the ER and only then could we open up the hatches. But once they were open it was very easy to lift the engines out.
Am not familiar with the way Fleming does it, but have to assume they also have hatches.
What is true however is that taking the engines out with this new addition may actually have become impossible. Can the crane still maneuver around or is that no longer possible. If it is not possible then this boat is a write off, since there will come a time that the engines have to come out and when that is impossible then you only have one option and that is to take the engines apart in the ER and take them out part by part. Or you would have to tear down this addition to the salon.

But it will become a very interesting visit when I make the decision to hop on a plane to go have a look.
 
When I had my hyd active stabilized N46, I could bury the bow, green water on pilot house windows and be more excited as I watch how the boat and AP handled the weather. Of course I didn’t shut down the stabilizers nor AP. Nor did I present the beam to the waves. I figured the various systems could do a better job than me.
 
My comment would be that I think you should search your sole to find out what you bought a boat for. If you like working on boats and improving them, then maybe the Flemming is a good option. If you want to get out on the water and enjoy using your boat, then I'd stick with the one you can do that with now. You don't need a Flemming to enjoy time on the water.

I've seen a lot of people who buy boats and need to "fix them up" until they are nearly perfect. Boats don't need lithium batteries, they don't need solar, and they don't need stabilizers. You make a choice that you forgo using the boat for the time it takes to install them. One season maybe? I've seen people hanging around their boat in the boatyard saying, "I need to do this, I need to do that" while others are out enjoying their albeit, imperfect boat.

I think Flemmings are one of the nicest looking boats on the water. But I wouldn't buy one if it meant sacrificing a season or two of being on the water.

We are fully happy with our Defever, she is perfect for our undertaking, which is sail from Venice to Turkey and visit all the villages, islands etc along the way.
For 2 persons she is big enough, but we do have 4 dogs on board and when you then have guests it becomes cramped. Also, when we are with 2 we use the forward cabin and forward bathroom as a storage locker. The former owner built in 3 air conditioners, but by doing so he sacrificed a lot of storage space. So if we get friends on board we have to find a place for everything that is in the forward cabin and then our own cabin becomes the new storage place.
I know it is a luxury problem, since most of the time it is for a one or 2 week period, but having an extra cabin and more storage space does make a lot of sense. Also the expanded salon would be perfect for us. If would give the dogs their own space, which would be great.

I agree that you can do without Lithium, but having the extra Ah capacity and being able to charge them quickly does give us so much more freedom that we think it is worth it.

The stabilizers however are absolutely necessary. A Defever has a very nasty tendency to roll heavily in beam seas. Even the smallest waves will make her rock and roll while other boats are lying completely quiet. For me it does not matter too much, I don't get sea sick, but the wife and the dogs are not too happy, so if we want to continue our journey I need to install stabilizers. And they are going to cost around 100.000 USD if I have it done in Turkey.

And missing a season ?
Not really. We would buy the boat, which is currently in the Netherlands and then make a beautiful trip via the Rhine and the Danub to the Black Sea, take a right to Turkey and be in the Med again. So instead of cruising the Med this year we would be spending 4 to 5 months going through Europe, visiting all the cities and villages along the way. Plus we could spend a few months going through the Netherlands which is also not a punishment.

In all, do we really need this Fleming ? No, we can do without and be living happily on our Defever. After the stabs are installed she will be perfect for us and we will find a way to live with not enough storage space.
But, if the Fleming is in good condition and the price is right, then it is worth the change. Of course we also need to get the right price for our Defever, but we think that since she is now perfect for long term cruising it should not be too difficult.
 
PS - I have also always loved the lines of the Defever!! Really great looking boat !!

She has indeed great looking lines and the high bow makes her perfect for going into heavy waves. She glides through the water, leaving hardly any wake, does not use a lot of fuel and when we get somewhere she still attracts a lot of attention. :)
On top of that you can feel that it is a safe boat, no need to worry if the weather turns bad suddenly. So she is a great boat for living on for prolonged periods of time, as we also do.
 
Here is a bit more history FWIW:

Fleming 55 pilothouse motor yacht "Grand Lady", built by Fleming yachts in 2001 and customized (to the highest Swedish boat building craftsmanship) by her current owner in 2007. The current owner has more or less replaced all her equipment to the newest standard plus she has been massively upgraded . This Fleming 55 with extended saloon, closed galley and three cabin layout offers a lot of living space, perfect for a longer stay on board! Very well maintained and viewing in our salesmarina in Sneek - Holland is highly recommended!

https://www.northropandjohnson.com/yachts-for-sale/grand-lady-55-fleming-yachts
 
Here is a bit more history FWIW:

Fleming 55 pilothouse motor yacht "Grand Lady", built by Fleming yachts in 2001 and customized (to the highest Swedish boat building craftsmanship) by her current owner in 2007. The current owner has more or less replaced all her equipment to the newest standard plus she has been massively upgraded . This Fleming 55 with extended saloon, closed galley and three cabin layout offers a lot of living space, perfect for a longer stay on board! Very well maintained and viewing in our salesmarina in Sneek - Holland is highly recommended!

https://www.northropandjohnson.com/yachts-for-sale/grand-lady-55-fleming-yachts

Yes, this is the text you can also find on the site of De Valk. The one thing that is missing however is the reason why a boat of just 5 or 6 years old needed an extensive upgrade and why did it need new engines ?
 
"Massively upgraded" so says the salesman!
Certainly lots of work done to it, but engines, generator replaced after 5 years, residential split Air Conditioner installed (see flybridge pics) might indicate all A/C's replaced, back wall removed and relocated perhaps (at least they put in doors to the walkway from the too small salon extension) extended oversized swim platform (perhaps aluminum), extended cockpit cover with extra high bulwarks that seem to make it look extra ungainly, flooring as was mentioned on the flybridge and galley. Just too many red flags here to not wonder what the real story is on this one especially considering the length of time on the market and reduced price. Possible trades to sweeten the deal but hey would most likely lowball your trade. By the sounds of your DeFever, they should give you the Fleming and some cash!

As much as I love Flemings I would pass on this one.

Just my opinion :)
 
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