markpierce
Master and Commander
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2010
- Messages
- 12,557
- Location
- USA
- Vessel Name
- Carquinez Coot
- Vessel Make
- penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
I'll leave passage-making to ships, and the Coot for gunkholing.
Me too. But I'd rather have a "sit-in" room rather than a "crawl-in."
Mark, sorry to say that you have not made it far enough into the engine room... or should I call it " space". that is a crawl in engine room!
HOLLYWOOD
I.....was in the Cebu City last week and saw the N62 pictured below. The marina folks told me it belonged to a Canadian couple who weren't staying aboard as they prefer to stay at a 5-star resort when available. The couple, I was told, plan to cruise the Philippine islands for a year before going to the next country. I think they're doing it the right way.
The rather strange thing about the above story is in my view and experience of going aboard them and lusting after them, at boat shows, of course, is that the Nordhavns, once you get above about 50', are like 5 star hotels in their fit and finish. I think that couple just want to be waited on. If I want that, I go on a cruise liner.
Peter, I agree that Nordhavns are luxurious, though I don't know about 5 star. Now super yachts with a fully staffed spa, that is more like 5 star. If I had the money like the Nordhavn couple, I too would go to a nice hotel every now and then and my reason for doing so would be to treat my wife. But I will also get massages just so she doesn't feel too guilty about getting a pampering. I have a feeling that is what is going on with the N62 couple.
Blue Water Medal
2012 Blue Water Medal to David S. Cowper
The Cruising Club of America (CCA) has selected David S. Cowper (Newcastle, England) to receive its Blue Water Medal for his completion of six solo circumnavigations of the World and five solo transits of the Northwest Passage. The Blue Water Medal was first awarded in 1923 and is given “for a most meritorious example if seamanship, the recipient to be selected from among the amateurs of all nations.” The award will be presented by Commodore Daniel P. Dyer, III at the annual Awards Dinner on March 1, 2013 at New York Yacht Club in Manhattan. read more
A friend and dock neighbor of mine has a Sea Ray and is pretty proud of it. I commented one day that Sea Rays are just Bayliners with fancy appliances and upholstry. He was not amused!
According to the Bayliner dealer next to my marina, Sea Rays and Bayliners are built on the same assembly lines. I know they use the same engines and drives.
Bayliner used to be THE affordable boat and myriads of small boats out there's features are a testimony to Bayliner. They showed the way, there were few comparable boats being made, and Bayliner innovations are in so many modern boats it's amazing. My 1985 2460 Trophy was purchased in Olympia Washington and spent the first three weeks of it's life driving up the Inside Passage to Juneau and making the jump from Cape Spencer to Cordova, ending up in Seward. I wouldn't do it again in that boat, but it was done safely and with zero issues other than waiting for the "right" weather. Some times the story comes down to it being what you can afford, not what you would like to have. I hope to be doing that trip again this May, in a 1999 Willard at 6 knots...
Bayliner facilities are located in Knoxville, Tennessee, Dandridge, Tennessee and Arlington, Washington, in the United States;and in Reynosa, Tamaulipas, in Mexico. Bayliner also has a plant in Portugal for the European market.
Sea Ray is based in Knoxville, Tennessee and operates two factories in Tennessee and two in Florida.[
Somemay be built together...some aren't....
Pretty sure the Bigger Sea Rays come out of the Merrit Island facility as that's where I used to pick them up and deliver them to.
Blue Water Medal The Cruising Club of America (CCA) has selected David S. Cowper (Newcastle, England) to receive its Blue Water Medal for his completion of six solo circumnavigations of the World and five solo transits of the Northwest Passage.]
Other than providing product support I believe Bayliner's once flagship plant in Arlington, WA is now shut down.
Oh I was not brand bashing, but there is a friendly revelry between the two owners groups. But then again..:lol:
... Then I went on one (Ken Williams' old boat) after living on and Coastal Cruising my present boat for awhile. I thought I'd dove into a rabbit's warren. I can see why that couple would prefer hotels when the option was available. Not for the claustrophobic! A great boat to be underway in while crossing an ocean? yes, I think so. A great boat to live in? No thanks! It was no mystery to me why Ken left his in the Med and came back and bought a much bigger "BloatHavn" version.
You're probably right there on all issues.
Its kinda funny, this internet thing.
You can go on a forum and talk about your TT, which we all know have had their fair share of issues, some very serious and nobody knocks your boat.
Mention you have a Bayliner, even a large one like mine and some uninformed ding a ling will slam your boat for no other reason than brand bias.
The funny thing is that never happens in person. Walking the docks, we are all a community of boaters.
I am VERY THANKFUL that since coming here in 2010 as a guy looking for a large cruising boat, to today, that there has been very little brand bashing here on TF.
This is a great community, and I amp happy to participate.
BTW, the Bayliner Owners Club, where I moderate the Motoryachts forum was started many years ago to escape brand bashing. Now there are over 15,000 members. Many TF members came from the BOC, like myself as their boating moved to larger boats. Many here still participate in both forums.
TF is great because the discussions are not brand specific. This opens up allot more conversations about things all boat brands share in common.
He is the owner of same Bayliner ( Bay it's means baie in French ?:lol
The problem for real passagemaking is , in my point of view, the big volume of the cockpit and the size of the door in glass, and in moderate seas he must slow down even slowler than a passagemaker.( in bad weather it became "difficult")
If I must make a passage, sure I will not buy a boat like your , but in another hand 30 year ago a 9m boat with big windows and door cross the North Atlantic from USA to Paris ...
Our idea of a passagemaker is quiet different than your , but may be I am "paranoiac" !? Or "affraid by sea ?!
"Passagemaker" cherchez l'erreur ! - Trawler long-cours
At sea/underway, I want hand-holds within arm's distance. If one "boats" in a marina, have a boat laid out like a land-house.
With regards to the interior spaces of a Nordhavn, a timely reminder of the dangers of rough seas can be found in the ongoing Bounty investigation. Prior tho the loss of the vessel the captain and at least one other crew member were severely injured when they were thrown violently about in a compartment.
Marin, where did you read that? There is no mention of that in the gCaptain blog that Charles Cullotta linked. Just that one guy was thrown from "port to starboard", no mention of the size of the compartment or even if he was in a compartment. Do you have a link to more detail? This really good reading.
By the way, in a bad seaway you could still do yourself some serious damage being thrown from once side to the other or fore to aft in the salon or pilot house of a Nordhavn 62 or 55, the two N's I have spent some time on beyond a few minutes at a boat show.
When Adam Prokosh fell from port to starboard on the tween deck and broke his back and ribs, he was instantly made incompetent as an able seaman.