Of course it's hard to be serious when the serious discussions turn to garbage by people who think they know or don't know art or hull forms...psneeld,
You weren't even there to see the incident, yet you claim that it wasn't dangerous. Really?
I respect your knowledge, but you seem to be in a bad mood lately, which from my perspective, takes away from this forum.
Greetings,
Mr. supertramp. Regarding your current BBQ which you say doesn't do well in the wind. Have you tried making a wind shield of some sort (sheet metal wind break, aluminum foil etc.) or turning the BBQ in relation to the wind direction? I have no experience with an electric BBQ but that WOULD solve the wind problem.
Of course it's hard to be serious when the serious discussions turn to garbage by people who think they know or don't know art or hull forms...
I wasn't there...you are right..but after a lifetime of BBQing and Boy Scout bonfires...I know there's a huge difference in something that is a fireball and something that will actually catch something else on fire...numerous military safety training and accident investigation schools only added to the common sense aspect of it.
While the neighboring boat owner might have been a total idiot...I hate to see regulations passed so that the vast majority of us reasonable types can no longer BBQ on our boats...and rover reaction does the rest of us no good.
...MARINE regulation on grills...
Greetings,
Mr. supertramp. Regarding your current BBQ which you say doesn't do well in the wind. Have you tried making a wind shield of some sort (sheet metal wind break, aluminum foil etc.) or turning the BBQ in relation to the wind direction? I have no experience with an electric BBQ but that WOULD solve the wind problem.
Are there any? We store our grill and tank separately. I added the quick disconnect after the regulator, before the grill. I had a surveyor question it once but could not demonstrate that it was not following any marine guidelines or was unsafe. I'm sure I am not following some UL or land based gas code but the quick disconnect has never leaked and it's easier than getting the wrenches out every time.
I wasn't there...you are right..but after a lifetime of BBQing and Boy Scout bonfires...I know there's a huge difference in something that is a fireball and something that will actually catch something else on fire...numerous military safety training and accident investigation schools only added to the common sense aspect of it.
While the neighboring boat owner might have been a total idiot...I hate to see regulations passed so that the vast majority of us reasonable types can no longer BBQ on our boats...and rover reaction does the rest of us no good.
Should have hosed him off, I know I would have. He was the one in the wrong and he smoked up your boat.
PSNEELD,
I've taken my share of safety courses....Navy shipboard firefighting and the USC Aircraft Accident Investigation course among them. Making light and belittling doesn't change the fact that this was a dangerous scenario. Charcoal grills and lighter fluid in the hands of "idiots" on boats are an accident waiting to happen. I believe most of the marina prohibitions are actually aimed at that particular combination.
Regards
I never belittled, made light of yes...From experience, you have bigger things to worry about in most marinas than grills....
and of course it's only my opinion but I'm not the only one that's pissed that some marinas are "over"ruled.....
When you live aboard and still work...and then cruise straight for 4 months...anchoring is fun but so is staying in marinas when you need to get to work, buy stuff and lot's of power to fix things...
PSNEELD,
Making light and belittling doesn't change the fact that this was a dangerous scenario. Charcoal grills and lighter fluid in the hands of "idiots" on boats are an accident waiting to happen.
Several years ago a fellow with a 30-something foot Bayliner was having trouble getting one of his gas engines started. So he poured some raw gas down the carburetor throat while his girlfriend cranked the engine. The engine backfired and shot a gout of flame up out of the engine room. The flame got something on the boat burning and by the time the guy got hold of a fire extinguisher the fire was too big for it. He and the girflriend abandoned the boat by diving off the bow.
End result: the Bayliner burned to the waterline and sunk. The cruiser in the slip with it (upwind) had severe scorching and hull and cabin warping from the heat. The boat in the next slip over (downwind), a newly and totally restored, refinished CHB, was destroyed above the waterline although it did not sink.
Many of the dock's pilings were burned. And most of the boats on the dock (the Bayliner was the second boat in on the upwind end of the dock) suffered extreme smoke and soot damage.
Had the initial fire resulted from a big flare-up from a barbecue it is certainly possible the results could have been exactly the same.
With 2 examples of boats burned to the waterline from carburetors and I know of none by BBQ.....why then don't marinas ban carburetors?????
Cause carbs make it so many boats can pull into dock and pay marinas big fees! BBQ's don't! Just that simple - LOL
I'm on a low carb diet so good BBQ keeps me full of necessary (evil...) protien overdoses....
But on a more serious note...I have found most marine BBQs are WAYYYYY overpriced and unless a charcoal one...the propane ones just don't get hot enough unless they are double walled....the Cheap $29 ones available every spring have the same problem..but that why I saved an older cast aluminum (very thick walls) to rebuild next summer.
That's about as smart as your story of the guy pouring gas down the throat of an open carb, inside a boat....
As I thought..totally without the ability to point towards ANY MARINE regulation on grills other than a marina, town or county regulation that was the result of some yahoo that shouldn't have been allowed to play with matches in the first place.
Do you ever get tired of not having a real answer?
Our top of the line Magma propane BBQ cooks hot and thoroughly. Heck, most of the time I need to turn it down so items don't burn, even with the lid open. When lid is closed I often turn to low for some good slow cooken! Wind seems to have no effect as far as extinguishing flame. Don't remember any time needing to restart in mid cook... cept when propane bottle ran out. I admit the stiffest wind I've cooked in has probably been no more than 15 to 20 mph. I don't bother BBQen in a real stiff wind anyway! That's what our Tolly's up-galley is for!