but they do look like real boats.
With all due respect, it has nothing to do with what I "term them". I did not "term them". Grand Banks did. Ray Hunt played a major roll in hull design as did Sparkman and Stephens. Google is your friend...check it out. People wanted faster boats. And in 2005, Grand Banks obliged them....with a modified V planing hull.
Maybe I was not diligent enough in reading posts to see all this from or to OP on this thread... but... I believe it is best for OP to either visit for-sale boats and get a feel of their accommodations, or better yet rent a couple different size and model boat to get the real "feel of the deal", if you don’t already have it.
What I'm not clear on for you Mr. OP:
1. How many years and how much experience do you have in the pleasure boating (or other marine life) world - Motor or Sail?
2. What is your budget? (I always recommend owning a boat outright, and getting it at the right price)
3. How fast do you really want your boat to go – at below hull speed, general cruise speed, top speed?
4. Do you have anticipated size of boat and its needed range already in mind?
AND - OF GREAT IMPORTANCE!!
5. Is your better half ready and willing??? Keeping Admiral happy on a boat makes fun times for all sailors aboard!
Also, and I did read something similar to this in another post... never let your emotions get ahead of common sense during the review and/or purchase negations of buying a boat. Check it out really well first, then close on the right price in this buyers market... then and only then... once it’s yours should You Allow Your Heart to begin beating fast for love toward your new female play-toy! After all that’s why boats are always called she and her – - > not he and him!
Happy Boating Daze! - Art
I have to agree with Scary... Have had boats forever, but we fell in love with trawlers over the Hatteras 48 LRC's. First time I saw one it was like "now that's a boat." We spent a few years looking at Krogens, DeFevers, Flemings, etc. as there are so many great trawlers on the market. Previous owners of our LRC took her thought the Panama canal, to Alaska and made a trip to Bermuda. She is true blue water and the only non Nordhaven invited to make the Atlantic crossing a few years ago. Can guarantee they would not invite me as I don't have near the previous owners blue water experience. So, it is a combination, I agree.What you really need to do is accurately assess how you are going to use your boat. Boats have to fit in with where you are in life. You can coastal cruise in a small trailer-able express cruiser. If you fairly young and have to work 5 days a week, this may be the best way to get a lot of cruising in in a variety of locations. If your older and want more comfort, have more leisure time want to spend time at the dock and still be able to knock 100+ miles or so a day than than many of the lighter semi displacement boats like the Bayliners and Meridians are very difficult to beat when it comes to value and usability. If you happen to be able to actually cruise for weeks at a time and need open ocean capability, than you really need to consider a real long range cruiser or a serious cruising sailboat. That real long range cruiser is more likely to sit at the dock because unless you like hanging out within 40 miles or so, you need three or for days to go anywhere. The difference between 6knts and 24knts is huge when it comes to weekend travel. The ability to trailer a boat at 60 mph to anywhere in the continent and cruise is pretty neat. The bottom line is life is full of compromises, you really need to realistically assess how you are going to use your boat and how important the aesthetics of a boat play into enjoying it. I live on a wonderful LRC that sits at the dock most of the time waiting for that real trip while my daughter wears out her 21' tournament boat. Do you really need a trawler, no but they do look like real boats.
Whether for a day or all days, it's a home.
With all due respect, these are all just terms. Calling them a modified V planing hull is accurate but it also brings different expectations to one person than another. All hulls are compromises. Yes, people wanted faster, but GB isn't by any means fast. Just faster or not as slow. I'm a huge fan of Grand Banks boats and their history although very disturbed that the future may not be as bright. Most of the Heritage models of recent years have a Ken Smith designed hull, although who designed them really isn't the issue. The 54 Heritage and 53 Aleutian hulls are newer designs.
Now the reality is that the 54 Heritage has a cruising speed of 17-18 knots. While that may be a planing hull that is not what you would normally associate with a planing boat. Partly it is because it is one of the heavier boats in class.
Now all of the designers and labeling is really irrelevant to the point that there are many different type boats that can be used for the type cruising the OP has in mind. GB is an excellent option as it will achieve speeds greater than displacement boats but can still be used comfortably at displacement speeds and, also, it will handle rougher conditions than many in it's range.
"...even if the fuel bill dropped by 25%-50% , changing just to get a lower burn would NEVER pay .
And if you are considering gas over diesel...... I have not owned diesel boats because of fuel economy. Fuel economy is about 4 down the list when it comes to advantages of diesel over gas. Ahead of that is carbon monoxide poisoning...explosion hazard....engine longevity....engine reliability....THEN fuel efficiency...okay, number 5.
Hey Art, this is one of my posts on page 1 of this thread. I know you know the dangers of gasoline and how to mitigate its risk. But just for unsuspecting people that are new to this stuff.....
My point being, their are other reasons to go diesel besides fuel economy. And IMO, more important reasons when life is at stake.
I saw the aftermath of a gas powered boat explosion, acting for 2 victims who survived, no burns injuries but multiple fractures of all limbs, deep infection sites from foreign bodies literally blasted into tissues as they were projected 20ft into the air. And a baby died.I have seen a boat explode with my own eyes and it was gruesome....Boat US might have a database on something like this.
John Baker,
Do boats explode more often than the planes you fly? Probably but they both do explode.
Perhaps your flying makes you more aware of the danger.
In the 50s almost 100% of pleasure boats were gasoline powered. And now the fume detectors and other technology make driving a gasoline boat safer than ever. At least as safe as the operator.
I wonder what the stats are for home deaths concerning gasoline and carbon monoxide when compared to boating deaths?
Probably lower but I really have to say that unlike most accident categories my experience shows they really tend to fall into the extreme ends of the spectrum. The almost totally unavoidable to the almost obscenely stupid.
Or the carbon monoxide death of the woman sleeping in the aft cabin and the USCG determined CO coming from the genset exhaust blew back and into the aft cabin sink drain and filled the cabin as she napped.
I say tongue in cheek and complete agreement with you, Fred - - >
Following is somewhat hypothetical
Our really good condition, well maintained, and currently low hour (under 500 hrs each) Mercruisers have from 2500 to 4000 hours use left in em! (BTW, at an averaged 100 +/- hrs per year; that = 25 to 40 years engine life remaining. Which means, if we decide to keep our Tolly “basically forever” (which we know her stout build-out could withstand) we’d be from 88 to 103 yrs old before engine swap is required. Go Horsy! GO!!!!
You only use your boat for 100 hours/year, I wouldn't consider that boating! No wonder your not concerned with fuel burn.
I say tongue in cheek and complete agreement with you, Fred - - >
Following is somewhat hypothetical
Our really good condition, well maintained, and currently low hour (under 500 hrs each) Mercruisers have from 2500 to 4000 hours use left in em! (BTW, at an averaged 100 +/- hrs per year; that = 25 to 40 years engine life remaining. Which means, if we decide to keep our Tolly “basically forever” (which we know her stout build-out could withstand) we’d be from 88 to 103 yrs old before engine swap is required. Go Horsy! GO!!!!
You only use your boat for 100 hours/year, I wouldn't consider that boating! No wonder your not concerned with fuel burn.
Hey, Windy - Ya gots ta read between the lines!
hy·po·thet·i·cal
adjective \ˌhī-pə-ˈthe-ti-kəl\
: involving or based on a suggested idea or theory: involving or based on a hypothesis
: not real : imagined as an example
Hey, Windy - Ya gots ta read between the lines!
hy·po·thet·i·cal
adjective \ˌhī-pə-ˈthe-ti-kəl\
: involving or based on a suggested idea or theory: involving or based on a hypothesis
: not real : imagined as an example[/QUOTE
Hypotheticals are like buttholes, everybody has one and they all stink!
In the words of the great Joe Friday "Just the facts Ma'am"
Hey, Windy - Ya gots ta read between the lines!
hy·po·thet·i·cal
adjective \ˌhī-pə-ˈthe-ti-kəl\
: involving or based on a suggested idea or theory: involving or based on a hypothesis
: not real : imagined as an example[/QUOTE
Hypotheticals are like buttholes, everybody has one and they all stink!
In the words of the great Joe Friday "Just the facts Ma'am"
Take a break wind!
Hypothesis is the beginning of all developments as well as supporting ladder steps to reach conclusions during development... Without hypothesis most of what humans have today would not have come to fruition. Hypothesis and imagination have close correlation. Just imagine where we'd be if hypothesis had not begun TF in the first place - not having this chat, that's for sure!
Some people fit definitions to a "T" - And that ain't hy-po-thet-i-cal at all!!
rude
adjective \ˈrüd\
: not having or showing concern or respect for the rights and feelings of other people : not polite
: relating to sex or other body functions in a way that offends others
: happening suddenly in usually an unpleasant or shocking way