Sure there is
Its all about the hull formHere's a good definition of the characteristics of the three basic hull forms...
https://www.outerreefyachts.com/hull-types
Sure there is
Its all about the hull formHere's a good definition of the characteristics of the three basic hull forms...
https://www.outerreefyachts.com/hull-types
Sure there is
Its all about the hull formHere's a good definition of the characteristics of the three basic hull forms...
https://www.outerreefyachts.com/hull-types
I can live with that definition.
So what's the difference between a planing and SD hull? Are Hatts, Uniflites, and Viking motoryachts planing or SD? Last I looked, the dead rise at the transom between those, and say a GB is dang close.Sure there is
Its all about the hull form
I can live with that definition.
The Outer Reef marketing positioning ("SD is the best of both worlds") proclaims the oft-repeated "you have reserve speed to outrun a storm." I know people who have used speed to get through seriously high current areas of the PNW, and people who use it to time an opening of a bridge. But I can honestly say I've never heard first hand experience of out running a storm. I've heard plenty who cite the wx capability as justification for owning a SD, but never a decent example of it in practice. I wonder if under passage conditions, the vessel would have sufficient fuel to crank-up.
I agree that trawlers are more of a lifestyle description. Used to mean offshore or coastal passagemaking cruising. That's been replaced by a floating home for early /active retirees. Pretty broad vessel to meet that need.
Peter
I guess that's about right. I brought an N46 from SF to Blaine WA, about a 5 day run. Halfway through, wx shows a storm coming down from Alaska in a couple days. So I bump up speed 3/4 kts and buy an extra 5-6 hours early arrival. I could have bailed at Gray's Harbor, but all worked out well. Outer bands of the storm showed up shortly after I made the turn into the Straits of Juan de Fuca and had a decent sleigh ride into Port Angeles.Often it is not outrunning a storm...it's picking your way though the least intensity or steering away from the tornado producing cells that there is an advantage to be had.
Under great conditions for day trips, totally agree. But if you're trying to make some distance, you're constrained by fuel which will reduce your average speed to single digits. Tortoise and the hare thing.Not on the East Coast...the difference of a SD boat at 18 knots and a FD at 6-7 knots is huge.
Means running offshore or not, means entering port in daylight or not, means beating weather or avoiding it or not...
I am thinking of switching from a REALLY SLOW SD boat (6-7 knots) to more Lobster Yacht (15-20 knots) for all those features hat I desire while trading away sheer bulk because living aboard full time is starting to wane. Not sure I want to go all the way to planing as that's another level of compromises.
So what's the difference between a planing and SD hull? Are Hatts, Uniflites, and Viking motoryachts planing or SD? Last I looked, the dead rise at the transom between those, and say a GB is dang close.
Peter
I agree the Grand Banks, most of the older Taiwan hulls, and the Tugs are planing hulls. But let's not go there....
I get that the Tiara style express cruisers have different hulls. But don't see much of a difference in motoryachts and SD. A 1980 Uniflite ACMY 42 is as solid a hull as a 1980 GB42. Yea, I'm sure there are some sort of stakes on the Uniflite , but I doubt they do much in practice. Much more similar than different.
Sorry but after years of sailboating and delivery captain..... I get it in spades.
Not that differences of opinion don't matter, just that differences of opinion see things differently.
If you don't see the difference in a SD say a Lobster boat Hull that can carry a ton on the after deck and planing hull like a Sea Ray that bogs down with 8 pax sitting in after seating...then I can't possibly change your mind.
Sure a full displacement trawler is one type a boat, the speed of a sailbiat with lots more room and a difference in comfort mentality.
But then I disagree with the average description of trawler here anyhow.....as the old expression goes about pornography.... like trawlers...I know one when I see one.
Also as I posted...people that see 3 different hull descriptions versus a continuum of design features I feel is out of the loop.
I was mostly specific with my language - I didn't/don't see a big difference between classic motoryacht style hulls and SD hulls. Yea, GBs have s roughly plumb bow, but there are many that do not. I'm just hard pressed to find the differences. What Outer Reef and so many others call the best of both worlds. Nothing against SD hulls, I just think the big difference is above the waterline in deck house styling.Sorry but after years of sailboating and delivery captain..... I get it in spades.
Not that differences of opinion don't matter, just that differences of opinion see things differently.
If you don't see the difference in a SD say a Lobster boat Hull that can carry a ton on the after deck and planing hull like a Sea Ray that bogs down with 8 pax sitting in after seating...then I can't possibly change your mind.
Sure a full displacement trawler is one type a boat, the speed of a sailbiat with lots more room and a difference in comfort mentality.
But then I disagree with the average description of trawler here anyhow.....as the old expression goes about pornography.... like trawlers...I know one when I see one.
Also as I posted...people that see 3 different hull descriptions versus a continuum of design features I feel is out of the loop.
Psneeld - do kiss and tell. In your learned opinion, what boat brands/models qualify as a trawler?
Starting to name boats models would just open up the pandoras' box for argument and it is just dust in the wind anyhow.
A "learned opinion"?????...just waterside chatting with some very respectable folks.....
You present yourself as much more esteemed than just waterside chat. Would expect more than throwing stones - opinions in the negative, but no examples.Starting to name boats models would just open up the pandoras' box for argument and it is just dust in the wind anyhow.
A "learned opinion"?????...just waterside chatting with some very respectable folks.....
For me, I want a boat that has range of 1500 nms, can carry stores for at least a couple months, and can be reliably operated by a reasonably knowledgeable operator without undue reliance on outside support. It should be reasonably comfortable for long passages. Size matters - over 55-60 feet there are a ton of options. Under 45 feet takes some interesting design and equipment choices. These all support a lifestyle vs are characteristics of a boat.1. Nordhavn 46
Seriously you are calling me out because I have a strong opinion of what a trawler is despite all the conflicting definitions out there?
I will stand by my assessment that some people don't accept that a boat is anything but just one of the hull types despite the actual shape and performance differences.
But what I call a trawler and decide not to debate with strangers well...I will give a taste. A tug...having the word tug in the name should help, or something like a trunk cabin Marine Trader.....its not hard for many boats but as I did post there are some with descriptions on the border just like hull designs.
I'm calling you out because this thread had vague opinions - talk about all your experience and how you know a Trawler when you see one, and how the 'old timers' agree with you. But when it comes down to solid info, you demur about how you don't want to talk to strangers. Not sure how you rack-up 21k posts by not talking to strangers.
Psneeld - you often give good insights (I recently gave you hi-praise on one post). I was expecting more. not sure why bother with a thread contribution if you only have tomatoes to throw.
Peter
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