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OFB said:
Over the past couple of decades I can't remember having to use a big old live tree for a stern line.

Just be careful of looping a stern line around that big old log up on the beach...
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On the hook; Blind Bay; fulla booms; old Bodega hitched to a boom whilst mom and pop go off. Tuggie tug chugs in...you know the drill.

We saved Bodega's butt and when they came back, I don't think they even realized.

I think most stern ties are done when the place turns into a Walmart lot. You know how it's done; go hide out, no stern line required. No, this is not Blind Bay.
 

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Marin said:
. However to date most of the few times we've had to stern tie there have been metal rings to use; Butchart Cove, Princess Cove, etc.
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Marin,

Who installs and maintains the metal rings? From what I've seen of some quiet coves, a couple of concrete anchors could hold a D ring easily, leaving it for the next boater, and leaving the trees along.

Of course, that might piss off the rock huggers :)

Stu
 
stubones99 said:
Marin,

Who installs and maintains the metal rings? From what I've seen of some quiet coves, a couple of concrete anchors could hold a D ring easily, leaving it for the next boater, and leaving the trees along.

Of course, that might piss off the rock huggers :)

Stu
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I have no idea. Most of them seem to be in parks of some type or another, so I'm guessing the rings were put in by whoever administers the parks. Or perhaps the land around a cove is private and the landowner put them in. The ones we've used have been there long enough to be included in all the cruising guides we]ve used since 1998 so it's not a new thing.
 
manyboats said:
Does anybody use a lunch hook instead of the shore tie.
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We use a stern anchor when there is room and the bottom is conducive to its use. But the places we've been where stern ties are the norm put the boats right up against a pretty steep, rocky shore and the water is usually quite deep right off that shore. If a stern anchor would even catch and hold on the bottom, the angle of the rode would be so steep that it wouldn't do much to hold the stern of the boat in place to eliminate most or all of the yawing, which is the whole point of the stern tie in the first place.

I just came across this shot from a few years ago of us moored up in Butchart Cove. Here one ties to a permanent mooring buoy (there are four of them in a line fairly close together) and runs a stern tie to a ring on shore. You can see how steeply the shore drops into the water and that gives an idea of the depth here. A stern anchor would be pretty useless in this situation.
 

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Marin said:
...I just came across this shot from a few years ago of us moored up in Butchart Cove. Here one ties to a permanent mooring buoy (there are four of them in a line fairly close together) and runs a stern tie to a ring on shore. You can see how steeply the shore drops into the water and that gives an idea of the depth here....
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Is it obligatory to stern tie in that Cove, perhaps due to space constraints, as provision of the permanent onshore ring suggests ? We have plenty of similar buoys, but there is never a need to stern tie.
Stern ties here usually appear when all moorings are taken and skippers exercise ingenuity to shoehorn their boat in.
 
stubones said:
Who installs and maintains the metal rings?
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Don't know about other areas but around here they are mostly in Government Parks, either Federal or Provincial and the Parks Branch looks after them.

I say mostly because I'm sure we were not the only ones to carry around leftover Sakrete or Hydroplug and an assortment of ring bolts to make our own.:D

We were cheeky though and tossed a chunk of driftwood on them when we left.:lol:
 

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BruceK said:
Is it obligatory to stern tie in that Cove, perhaps due to space constraints, as provision of the permanent onshore ring suggests ?
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I don't know if it's obligatory but everyone we've talked to about the place says one should stern tie to avoid being swung into a neighboring boat or out into the narrow cove where a boat could obstruct the water taxis and floatplanes that bring visitors to the famous Butchart Gardens on the other side.
 
stubones99 said:
Marin,

Who installs and maintains the metal rings? From what I've seen of some quiet coves, a couple of concrete anchors could hold a D ring easily, leaving it for the next boater, and leaving the trees along.

Of course, that might piss off the rock huggers :)

Stu
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BC Marine Parks Forever is now installing stern ties, here is a link http://www.marineparksforever.ca/BCMarineParksPosters.pdf

A great organization......:thumb:
 

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rochepoint said:
Don't know about Federal Parks as I don't remember seeing stern tie rings in any Federal Parks. The BC Marine Parks forever has been instrumental in securing many areas as Provincial Marine parks, see attached as to their achievements........:thumb:
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Maybe Portland Island is the only one with rings.
 
Marine Parks Forever, who have seeded many of our B.C. Marine parks purchases, are now involved in seeding proper, well installed shore side rings. They do not actually do the work but are, through effective scrounging and bulk purchases, seeding B.C. Parks with the supplies to install good quality rings and the lines needed to make solid, secure shore ties available. The Parks staff are installing the rings.
It's going to take a few years but over time you will see more and more places with these rings/ropes, either as replacements or additions.

Many of the old ones had questionable installations and are simply getting old enough that the safety is in question.

As explained to us at an impromptu dockside meeting and then another at a CPS meeting they explained that suitable park locations have become too expensive to do what used to be done, help purchase property . Now they are going to focus on improving the existing parks by seeding the Parks Dept. with supplies.

There will be other improvements done as time goes on. Some will be mooring buoys if I remember correctly.

As for Butchart Cove, I asked when we were there last fall about the mooring buoys. They are Butchart Gardens buoys placed closely enough that one must shore tie unless you want to swing into another boat. ALso of course to allow more boats. The reason was as given earlier. People plugging access for the float planes and larger commercial passenger vessel access to the park entrance float.
 
C lectric said:
Marine Parks Forever, who have seeded many of our B.C. Marine parks purchases, are now involved in seeding proper, well installed shore side rings. They do not actually do the work but are, through effective scrounging and bulk purchases, seeding B.C. Parks with the supplies to install good quality rings and the lines needed to make solid, secure shore ties available. The Parks staff are installing the rings.
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Thanks for the clarification, they are worthy of a donation.
 
Those parks with rings are the ones that get the highest number of boats using the space. So far, I don't know of any in Desolation Sound Park, and wherever else we tie in the Desolation Sound area, there are none, so the old climb to the best tree or rock above high water is what is still necessary.

In some of the more crowded park anchorages, like Princess Cove, the stern tie rings are well used, and are spaced less than 100 feet apart along the rock wall, so anchoring and tying back is both simple and intuitive.
In Deep bay on Jedediah, the tie rings are a little too close together for my liking, so if the bay fills up at high tide, often happens that in the morning when everyone is just waking to the low tide, there is a goon time scramble, with people finding someone else's anchor across theirs as they try to leave. For this reason we rarely go there any more, but seek a quieter spot.
 
koliver said:
Those parks with rings are the ones that get the highest number of boats using the space. So far, I don't know of any in Desolation Sound Park, and wherever else we tie in the Desolation Sound area, there are none, so the old climb to the best tree or rock above high water is what is still necessary.

In some of the more crowded park anchorages, like Princess Cove, the stern tie rings are well used, and are spaced less than 100 feet apart along the rock wall, so anchoring and tying back is both simple and intuitive.
In Deep bay on Jedediah, the tie rings are a little too close together for my liking, so if the bay fills up at high tide, often happens that in the morning when everyone is just waking to the low tide, there is a goon time scramble, with people finding someone else's anchor across theirs as they try to leave. For this reason we rarely go there any more, but seek a quieter spot.
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You will find that as time goes on tie rings/lines will be installed in Melanie Cove, The main anchorage of Prideaux Haven where the rock wall are too steep to scale. I believe Deep Bay, Jedediah Isl. is on the list. Princess Cove on Wallace. It's simply ability to garner supplies and the Parks Staff's ability and time to install the rings that will determine which park gets done when..
This program is quite new to all so individual parks may be down the list a ways.

Personally, I won't return to Deep Bay for the reasons stated. Maybe in the truly off season I'll try again. We anchored there, it was not busy, yet our anchor was fouled by another boat. It wasn't a problem as it turned out. The other folk were decent and smart enough to realize they likely had done that and stuck around to help when we left the next day. But it could have much to easily been otherwise.
 
I don't know if I am in favour of putting rings into places like Melanie and Prideaux. Those anchorages are already so crowded that I won't go there except by dinghy, and putting rock rings in will only exascerbate that situation.
 
C lectric said:
Personally, I won't return to Deep Bay for the reasons stated.
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Don't know what size you are so maybe you can't answer.
Is Squitty Bay still too intimidating for most?:eek:
Haven't been in a long while.
 

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I understand your comments.

Yes, I'm sure rings will make things more crowded in some places. On the other hand scaling those rock walls was downright dangerous. Many times over the years the only places available were in front of those walls without enough room to swing because of other boats nearby. It may be a toss up.
It's not just about adding rings but replacing the older ones which are becoming questionable with good ones that will be able to be used safely and confidently for the next bunch of years.

I often avoid places that have rings, period, for the crowding reason. Yet, in the off season places like Melanie, when one can swing safely, I will use. Middle of summer you won't find me in Desolation at all anymore.

The decisions and the courses of action are with the B.C. Council of Y.C. and Marine Parks Forever. Overall I think it will be good for boaters in general, just not for all of us, like most things.
 
Hawgwash said:
Don't know what size you are so maybe you can't answer.
Is Squitty Bay still too intimidating for most?:eek:
Haven't been in a long while.
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I have not been to Squitty at all, barely to Lasqueti. My boat is 32' so I could go but we have headed to Desolation and then to the Broughtons or as close as we could get in the time available. We always preferred that area, Broughtons, to Desolation or Lasqueti.
 
C lectric said:
I have not been to Squitty at all, barely to Lasqueti. My boat is 32' so I could go but we have headed to Desolation and then to the Broughtons or as close as we could get in the time available. We always preferred that area, Broughtons, to Desolation or Lasqueti.
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Hear ya.
 
koliver said:
I don't know if I am in favour of putting rings into places like Melanie and Prideaux. Those anchorages are already so crowded that I won't go there except by dinghy, and putting rock rings in will only exascerbate that situation.
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That's only half the issue, since the ones in the flyer had moorings and rock rings. How many of those are shallow enough to set an anchor? I've never been there so don't know.
 
Hawgwash said:
Don't know what size you are so maybe you can't answer. Is Squitty Bay still too intimidating for most?:eek:
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Squitty itself hasn't changed. Rocks take a long time to change :).

But in a thread on anchoring, in case there is some misunderstanding: Don't anchor in Squitty Bay. You can't do it and leave enough room for folks to turn around in there. Tie up (or more likely raft up) at the government dock.
 
Last time we saw Squitty Bat we were bucking 5' seas in our Albin 25 and we still passed it up it was so full of sailboat masts. Found Boho Bay empty and anchored there.
 
So look at like this, which I do. If the more popular places are packed in tighter, that leaves the "unpopular places" less crowded. I personally like less populated, less loud music from the rental crowd, less chance of fouling my main anchor, and piece and quiet to enjoy the morning coffee.
I find it extremely enjoyable to watch a Sea Otter crack open a clam or shellfish in the morning, a bald eagle swooping down for breakfast without the rental crowd partying down next to me.
Guess I'm an old fart, oh well....if need be ill just go farther north!
 
I'm not really happy until I get to Cape Caution. I like to explore the area just south as in Allison Harbour, Slingsby Channel, Treadwell Bay and Miles Inlet.

Same on a motorcycle. Trip to Montana dosn't start till I turned off I90 onto SR Montana 200.
 
Kind of curious about the height of rings set in rock walls. Today's tidal range is 10'. Are they at MLLW? Plus 6'?


Keith
 
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