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Lol!!
A lot of guys in Alaska would love to have that houseboat(Really?). And as a houseboat it's about as likely to tip over as an aircraftcarrier(Really:lol:?). Sometimes TF kinda comes off as a Yacht Club.(Really?)
And there's the chance that he over stated his "problems" to enhance the sale appeal.
But money and health problems together are not a small thing. I have plenty of arthritis but someone in a wheel chair would be inclined to think of my problem to be small. Indeed I am thankful for the health I have .. at 76.(Really? only 76? And all this while I considered you an older senior citizen!Aaaaaaa
If it was 10 feet longer it would be really neat. As is, nice boat for a single guy.[/QUOTE
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Agreed, As our boat is a 7 knot boat and will always be, the thought of having a schooner stern such as this rig shows, constructed and added to our trawler. Te purpose would be to offer a better following sea entry. Eliminating or reducing the tendency of a flat stern to yawl in a following sea is always a good goal.
After looking at Eric (Manyboat) rudder on a thread regarding rudders, I'd enlarge ours at the same time. Currently the boat is flowing well in a following sea over what was when the boat was ballested at a lesser amount.
Just the normal 'What if' or 'I wonder if it would be worth the investment'
At any rate, the length of our boat would be gained in such a modification.
Al-Ketchikan, 27' Marben pocket-crusier
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Al are you contemplating adding to the stern of your Marben?
Columbia River bowpicker fish boat.We saw this one on Lopez Island this weekend. We missed the owner at their marina later unfortunately. I like the lines and she can get up and go. I estimate she's about 30' with a single engine.
No Eric, not worth the investment. Slow SD or FD hulls sold in modern format to meet the perception of the marketing vision of "Trawler" in todays interpretation are built with square sterns. These boats as I stated, are 6.5 to 8 knot boats. They only exceed hull speed design by excessive power. You and I have agreed on that point.
Only a select population I being one, understand, enjoy and appreciate the rewards of a fantail stern that allows the following sea to flow under softly allowing the hull to meet the sea in a easy motion that allows the less rudder action to compensate for the yawing.
Having witnessing the ability of fiberglass shops to extend hulls within cost and finished product allows the thinking that was expressed were that cost within the budget.
Making such a change to our boat would surely reduce any future sales to
parties in that select population mentioned.
On the other mention in my post of your rudder in relation to such a change.
The timing would be correct to make a upsweeping rudder to match the new fantail form.
Always liked seeing the tip of the rudder under a fantail.
As we mentioned in other post, the added ballast we installed have settled our hull down in all sea conditions. Yawing in following seas have been slowed as reflected in rolling in the yaw of a following sea.
Our current rudder appears larger to those of similar rudders viewed on various hulls in our class of boat.
I suppose Eric, the comment on the extension is another version of 2 foot 'itis', a chronic illness of boat ownership.
Al-Ketchikan-27' Marben pocket-CRUISER
Al, agreed re the "illness".
But a simple extension will be only part of the modification unless the extension is only 2'. One would need to extend the keel, prop shaft and rudder. {Not necessary- I have viewed several gillnet boats that have been extended six to eight feet in a 34 foot hull leaving the wheel/rudder as is. No appreciative difference or not enough to cause concern. Looks a bit weird though}
You can achieve the FD hull w a square stern by simply "warping" the bottom. As long as the transom comes up out of the water FD will be achieved. You could just ramp up the bottom aft till the transom is out of the water .... w/o any extension at all. Then you'd have an overpowered boat and need to repower down to about 35 to 40hp. {Eric, all of this paragraph is confusing, I really have no idea of what you are attempting to describe, sorry, bud, no insult intended, just confused as to what is what here}
Too much work. Just go buy a FD boat. Any Albin 25's in Ketchikan now? They are quite small though. That's why we have the Willard.
Hi Al,
Sorry about the confusion. More simply put if you reshape the stern whereas the transom is out of the water you've got a FD boat and that can be achieved by lengthing the hull or not. And if you go from SD to FD you won't need as much power .. probably about 40% less depending on the design.{Hummmm, Eric, there would be nil addition to water line length with a fan tail addition as the addition would be flared into the hull line as it is now with the bottom of the fan tail unit flare from there would add no more than a foot of water line length as it rose to the exposed remaining construction. I do not believe there would be any noticeable difference in performance outside of the desired yawing reduction in a following sea. That said, the current HP regardless will not add or detract from present performance hence, a smaller 4-154 engine as we had previously, while suitable, was running like a hamster to make the turns where as the larger 4-236 is accomplishing the same outcome at a much reduced and quitter RPM with the same fuel burn. I realize you are infatuated with the application of the lessor HP to achieve hull performance. Nothing wrong with that concept. There are others such as myself that find comfort in having a engine that large enough in the individual's mind to achieve or exceed hull speed for various reasons. in my case a small boat where sharing the engine space with the living space in closer proximity than larger craft, less cabin noise is a quite boat underway. Our db sound level is 7l dbs at 1350-1400 RPM, our average speed fluctuates between 6.5-7.3 knots at 1.5 gallon per hour fuel burn. I am happy. (On the bridge, the dbs are 60 db)
Quote continued:Yup you can leave the rudder and keel as is but having all that mass well aft of the rudder will make for a poor handling boat. If a quartering stern sea is pushing the stern downwind the rudder will be quite ineffective. But there is a commercially built boat that I think that was done to. The Gulfstar looks for all the world like that's what they did. Probably had a ready made mould and then decided to build a bigger boat.
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