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Lets get real. Lets talk about open ocean boats that most of us can afford.
Simple, they're called sailboats and can be had almost anywhere for less than $50K. But I digress, this is a powerboat forum.
Lets get real. Lets talk about open ocean boats that most of us can afford.
Simple, they're called sailboats and can be had almost anywhere for less than $50K. But I digress, this is a powerboat forum.
Eric
Unless I read your implications incorrectly; I believe you look through a glass darkly, to an extent, regarding sea-kindly hull designs available for ocean crossing "small" yachts.
You consistently imply how you feel hard chines, on any portion of a hull, makes for poor handing in wind/storm disruptive seas. I believe that hull designs incorporating forms/shapes of both round bilge displacement type and hard chine planning effects in different hull sections can be excellent for small yacht handling in sea conditions... short of hurricane fed, breaking waves above 30' tall.
Properly mixed hull design I just stated IMO would in general be applicable to boats in the below 100' dimension. Boats larger than that become a weight mass that alters bad weather handling capabilities. Big Ships are a completely different item... in that their deep draft, wll, and enormous weight shifts the entire paradigm for handling in disruptive deep sea conditions.
Art
Lets get real. Lets talk about open ocean boats that most of us can afford.
ok I'll ask. What does a new Watson 72 run ? And are they new? Cant find any used ones for sale...
ok I'll ask. What does a new Watson 72 run ? And are they new? Cant find any used ones for sale...
How many used Dashew FPB's do you find on Yachtworld?
I saw this on one forum - a 2009 posting:
"A few months ago Pete Watson gave a bid to construct a new Watson 72 for $4,800,000.00 NZ and a Watson 79 for $6,250,000.00 NZ plus an export fee of 12 ½% for a foreign buyer."
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But that seems way low. I seem to remember seeing a review article in a magazine (PassageMaker?) on the Watson 72 and think it was more like 2 to 3 times that price.
"The Fleming hull is a semi-displacement design with moderate deadrise, a fine entry forward and a hard-chined, modified V aft - all adding up to a yacht optimized for running most efficiently at 9 to 10 knots, but which can also cruise comfortably at up to 18 knots. A long keel provides directional stability as well as protection of the running gear. The generous flare of the bow and soft forward sections contribute to a comfortable, dry ride especially at passagemaking speeds. The hard chines not only provide lift at higher speeds, but they have an added benefit of creating a more stable boat when at anchor or at the dock."
Nice. I love the computer generated pictures of it photoshopped into exotic locations.Here is a well designed and well built 78' Aluminum trawler for $6 million.
2016 Wim Van der Valk 23.95 m Trawler Power Boat For Sale
Also, Ruby Yachts is building Bruce Roberts designs in steel in the US
That pretty much sums up the underbody shape of my previous boat, a 65ft Burger. Combine the above with lots of windage and big picture windows. It was absolutely NOT the ideal ocean crosser.
Yet, with a couple of 50 year old 6-71s it sailed Wisconsin to Hawaii a couple of times, the South Pacific to Australia. Under my ownership we cruised LA to Seattle back and forth and battled 25ft+ seas too many times.
Nobody told me or the previous owners that we couldn't do it. Or maybe I was just young and stupid???
There are actually what appear to be three different Dashew 64 FPBs for sale right now, strangely enough:
FPB 64 ORCA Berthon International Yacht Sales & Brokerage
FPB 64 LOUP GRIS Berthon International Yacht Sales & Brokerage
FPB 64 BUFFALO NICKEL Berthon International Yacht Sales & Brokerage
I would choose to cross in a Fleming 65 or 78 over a KK 42 any day and that is not a slam against the KK 42. Now, I personally wouldn't choose to cross in either. Still, I know enough about Fleming and it's proven passagemaking to feel comfortable. So you can have your ideal and I'll have mine.
My actual ideal would be a 164' Westport.
Stornaway, I have always had a soft spot for those Cheoy Lee 66s. To me they are more like small ships, and the layout and engine room are great. In my next incarnation, if I'm born a bit richer than this time round, I think I'll buy one.
BandB,
Prolly never should have mentioned hard chines .... and made assumptions about the Fleming's hull form aft. Most similar boats however have a big flat and wide deeply emersed stern that is easy for a sea to lift up and toss around. Hard chine boats w an appropriate QBBL aft are very seaworthy if otherwise propperly designed. Countless fish boats are of that form. But I don't think the Fleming has the appropriate QBBL.
I was kinda hoping someone would pop up a picture.
I am kinda surprised that many are for sale. Sara Sara was/is for sale too.
At least one of the boats is being sold since the owners are buying one of the larger FPBs.
It seems unusual that so many of these first run boats are all being for sale at the same time after 5 years of use.
Not so, re-read Sunchasers most excellent post directly above yours. The answer is in the last 3 paragraphs.
You probably shouldn't make assumptions about a boat you know little about. I'll go on the basis of their proven record of seaworthiness.