I feel sorry for this couple....

[grahamdouglass]

Thank you for the "fact check" on the quote

I used that quote mostly as an introduction to the age old controversy between the heart and the brain. So, I google checked it.

Your right, it has been incorrectly attributed to Churchill. The first reference could have been John Adams. But it has also been attributed to Lloyd George, Clemenceau and my mother among many. The word socialist has been interchanged with liberal and communist. Conservative and republican have been used for the more matrue side of the quote.

But I think we get the idea. Age can unfortunately harden the heart. Wisdom is not a victimless attribute.

 

[john-o]

I admire these two youngsters. It takes a lot of love, faith in each other, that smile from his lady - that's golden, and the results will be a life of memories that only a few can appreciate.
Reminds me of my first jalopy. A 1937-hudson-terraplane-coupe. A barn find in Vermont. At 14, I had to have it. I bought it sight unseen, from a picture a friend of my dad had. For $50 I could trailer it home. The thing was loaded with mice, and stuff. Passenger door held on with pop rivets, and the floor was mostly rusted out. I worked on that thing for three years and every buck I had. I finished it up with about 3 dozen spray cans of black paint. In the end, I couldn't afford a new engine or drivetrain for that matter.
I wish these two and everyone that helps them, safe sailing, always trust in one another and keep the videos coming.

 

[Salish Nomad]

Fascinating series. As a former shipwright I am enjoying watching a mix of old, and new craftsmanship. They are fortunate to be in a part of the world with an excellent supply of timber.

 

[Simi 60]

Oh come on now. At some point it just gets silly -- heck, I'll just give them a rotten deck plank from nearby swamp instead and tell them it used to be a glorious boat, and they can build a whole new ship around it, that'll be easier. That's a literally rotting hulk, it's a pile of decaying material that used to be a boat. I understand restoring sad boatyard orphans to former glory, I grew up near Mystic and watched the guys (endlessly) refurbish the Charles W. Morgan and others, but at some point the remains are so far gone it's just silly. I'm no virtue-signaling social justice warrior either, but at some point I can't help thinking there really are kids starving in the world, what are you going to spend your time and money and energy on in life? In the final analysis Don Quixote was tragically sad and self-delusional, not admirable.

Reminds me of........

https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=111056&postcount=4

 

[kthoennes]

There you go. To each his own, whatever you want to do with your time and youth and energy and money. On rare occasion I walk through a casino and watch old people sitting at slot machines, a drink in one hand, cigarette hanging, pumping money into those machines with a glazed, bored look in their eyes. Not my thing, but it's their money and time in this limited life. Whatever makes you happy, but I'm just saying, if I were burning my youth and time and money on a project, I'd want to spend it well and when I was done, I'd rather sail away on, oh I don't know, maybe a 1962 Sparkman and Stephens.

 

[billdomb]

Way past time for a fire.

Suggested donating it for a burn exercise to the local fire department.

This is just NUTS.

 

[Deano]

From the looks of it is a coastal motor sailer. No keel, minimal ballast and a good motor.

 

[ancora]

I was feeling sorry for them, until I remembered...my boat has twin Volvos!

 

[Deano]

I get that.

 

[JohnP]

I like the Sailing Yaba channel. I think Ben and MJ have a great zest for owning Yaba. I think where they live these type of boats maybe more standard than we are used to. Also the boat yard is really set up for repairing work and fishing boats and it is a perfect fit for fixing Yaba. However this young couple must have a decent income from other sources and don't mind having so much work done. Without having enough funds this project would have been over before it started. Nice couple I wish them all the best!

 

[OldDan1943]

I dont feel sorry them.
They had no idea what they were doing.
This doesn't even qualify as a 'project boat'.
They basically bought, IMO, a 'heart breaker."

 

[thataway]

I certainly wonder where one says "enough". The further they get, the deeper the problems appear.

I was looking for a "new" sailboat in the 1960's. "Endymion" was for sale for $15,000 in Wilmington, Calif. She built as an M class sloop then converted to a schooner, and finally as a ketch with a pilot house. She was about 82' long, 11' draft and about 20' beam. Solid bronze frames, and bronze bolt fastened. She had been built for Donald Douglas Sr. but on her last trip back from Tahiti she lost the main mast, and there was still damage on the stern/taft rail which had not been repaired. As I walked thru the hull and deck, I realized that two men had been working full time for several years, and they were just barely keeping up with the maintenance, let alone repairing the damage. Eventually a couple bought her, put irrigation pipes for masts and sailed her for a few years. Eventually she as scrapped.

I bought a Columbia 29--which I kept for 10 years and enjoyed with minimal maintenance...But the romance of a large wooden yacht!

 

[lwarden]

There you go. To each his own, whatever you want to do with your time and youth and energy and money. On rare occasion I walk through a casino and watch old people sitting at slot machines, a drink in one hand, cigarette hanging, pumping money into those machines with a glazed, bored look in their eyes. Not my thing, but it's their money and time in this limited life. Whatever makes you happy, but I'm just saying, if I were burning my youth and time and money on a project, I'd want to spend it well and when I was done, I'd rather sail away on, oh I don't know, maybe a 1962 Sparkman and Stephens.

This was my main point in starting this thread. There are so many true gems out there which need rescuing and would make such a great project, where once you were done you had an heirloom. This strange boat isn't.

Way past time for a fire.

Suggested donating it for a burn exercise to the local fire department.

This is just NUTS.

Yaba is so rotten and water logged it would never burn.

 

[Art]

Cute, loving couple! Youth was wasted on the young... sorta! LOL

I watched videos all the way to keel prefabbed, prop and shaft out. rudder down and base of bow stem sistered.

Someone had to have $$$ to burn... daddy maybe?? The kids didn't know diddly regarding boat design, value nor salvageability. That craft was systemically riddled with worms and rot - throughout.

Having many decades ago worked some years with shipwrights building new and repairing old wood boats: Those repair/restoration marine woodwork fellows performing structural-improvement operations on that ruined-tub are 1st class! Talk about job security for them... regarding ever increasing needs apparent and structural debilitations constantly compounding while working on that waste case motor sailer!!

Anyway... Good luck young owners, cause you really need it.

Sorry to have to say: That boat was not when they purchased, is not now, and will never be worth the powder to blow it to hell.

What they are doing is called a "Young Life Experience". Hope they learn from it!!

Note: In first video the coupled said 2007 was the build year - I find that hard to believe!!! But????

 

[OldDan1943]

Sorry folks but, but the couple do not appear to be smart enough to realize they are neck deep in chit. Explain to me why I should feel sorry for them?
Based upon their video, they do not appear to be suffering from misplaced "youthful enthusiasm" fore they are old enough to produce a kid.
Remind me why I should feel sorry for them?

 

[slowgoesit]

I was feeling sorry for them, until I remembered...my boat has twin Volvos!

 

[Art]

There is Sympathy, there is Empathy... and then, there is Sorry

Sympathy = Vicariously feeling another's "pain"... having never been there nor done similar to "that". It may or may not include an allotment of some sort of a positively energized feeling toward the person's betterment.

Empathy = Knowledgably feeling another's "pain"... having been there and done at least a similar to "that" item. It usually includes an allotment of some sort of a positively energized feeling toward hoping for the person's betterment.

Sorry = A} Feeling some level of distress for another's circumstance, simply because you do somehow previously have similar experience of some sort of a similar pain". B} Feeling regret for one's own actions; seeking penance; i.e., the action of repenting with sincere regret or remorse that is pertinent/apposite to one's doings at hand.

For these two young lovers I feel a a bit of all three emotions mentioned above; as well as a considered/measured portion of joy for them! In that: No one got badly hurt or dead. And, that it appears when they get done "blowing" [wasting] money and time on their beloved ol' tub, just so it will float..... this pair will likely have many years of licking financial wounds while loving each other and living aboard this boat "they" watched and somewhat helped restore [and, for many years need to continue restoring]... to as good a condition as can be expected for a boat as such.

Let this be a lesson to all newbie [and even experienced] boaters. If you see "bad spots" in any location of a boat's physical portions - those "spots" are likely just "The Tip of the Iceberg"... be it wood, fiberglass, steel, aluminum, ferro cement or any other material; composite or not.

16 oz. ballpein hammer, sturdy ice pick, moisture meter, portable drill [with long 1/8" o.d. bit] and a roll of paper towel are my primary hand tools when I self survey the material structure of a boat I might purchase.

Other tools that most of us naturally come equipped with; i.e. our senses: 1} Sight - If something looks bad be sure to check it out carefully. 2} Smell - If it has bad odor check it out. 3} Sound - If it sounds bad look deeper. 4}
Touch - You know the drill. 5} Taste - Well... that's a way of checking completely up to you... not recommended by me! LOL

Ain't Boating Fun! - Art

 

[OldDan1943]

I was feeling sorry for them, until I remembered...my boat has twin Volvos!

The best way to ensure you have a proper store house of spare parts is to buy a spare Volvo and strip the parts as needed.

 

[Airstream345]

I think back to the many questionable projects I jumped into with both feet in my youth. I learned a lot from each one and they formed my own confident perspective about my abilities. Some of those projects even worked out.

I don't think I would've done the things I've done or taken the risks I've taken or ended up living aboard this boat had I know tried and failed and tried again back then.

I for one applaud their moxie.

 

[Pdxstriper]

I think back to the many questionable projects I jumped into with both feet in my youth. I learned a lot from each one and they formed my own confident perspective about my abilities. Some of those projects even worked out.

I don't think I would've done the things I've done or taken the risks I've taken or ended up living aboard this boat had I know tried and failed and tried again back then.

I for one applaud their moxie.

I agree wholeheartedly. I too was young and reckless once. I’m disheartened to hear the negative and, yes, mean comments here. Now I’ll step off my soapbox.

 

[localboy]

Sounds like they made a decision based on "emotion" vs "pragmatism/reality". I wish them the best of luck. They are gonna need it.


I've watched the Youtube channel for the Western Flyer restoration. The amount of work, talent, tools, money, resources, wood etc involved in that is astounding. And those working on it are wooden boat professionals and it is funded. This is something totally different.



https://www.youtube.com/c/WesternFlyerFoundationChannel/videos

 

[Carl Martin]

These are videos worth watching:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg-_lYeV8hBnDSay7nmphUA

 

[Art]

Wood boat building holds a form of magic.

Having spent many young years working on wood boats, alongside boatwright/shipwright magicians, some of their magic rubbed off on me. My personal videos from the mid 60's thru early 70's are well imprinted on my mind's eye.

Currently nearing 70 yrs... I like to leave wood boat building to others who want to still practice their wood boat building magic.

Super well built fiberglass Tollycraft [and other brands] is fine for/with me and wife!

 

[Juggerknot]

I stumbled on another one, more trawler-ish:

Yes, I found them too, got in about 10 minutes and couldn't take any more, they'll never finish that tub...

 

[Juggerknot]

well, at least they're in a part of the world where labor is cheap.

Not much is cheap in Brazil, it's an expensive place unless you're up the Amazon hiring indians!

 

[Art]

Yes, I found them too, got in about 10 minutes and couldn't take any more, they'll never finish that tub...

I have purchased items needing extensive refurbishment/repair. However, before each purchase I made damn sure I well knew what I was getting into and that the item could actually be restored.

I've seen it plenty, but do not understand why persons will try to restore an item whose value is not only not worth restoring but also the overall dilapidated condition means it can never be correctly restored/repaired??!!

I guess their decisions can be chalked up to romance they see in the ruined items past as well as its future after they succeed in restoration. Maybe its a financial dream wherein they get the item for near free and feel it will be worth much after they restore it

Or, maybe the purchasers of pure junk are pure dumb!

 

[Juggerknot]

Maybe a combination of all of it but these people don't speak as if they know anything of boating or repair, this will be a slow motion train wreck!

 

[Art]

Maybe a combination of all of it but these people don't speak as if they know anything of boating or repair, this will be a slow motion train wreck!

Unfortunately for people who get into projects that are way over their head... they don't know much if anything at all about what is, nor, what is needed.

Too bad - for them... and, possibly for those close to them!

 

[Barking Sands]

Actually, after watching most of their videos and reading some of the comments and seeing how fast their channel has grown, several things are apparent.

*Many of their subscribers have been sent from another very successful channel

* they know the people from the other successful channel. This other successful channel has spawned several other channels now.

* Yaba is likely a carefully selected project almost solely for the purpose of having a sustained youtube channel/instagram page/patreon acct for the purposes of employment/income

* paying attention here and there they likely have background help and know people in the business (both boat and youtube) and area.

* the goal is not a viable boat, but a viable channel/job/income. Yaba is solely the means selected for the extended channel that could supply income for several years and maybe longer.

* they are much much smarter/ entrepreneurial than we are giving them credit for. The boat selection is by design IMO.

As evidence of the above we are all discussing and monitoring a couple in Brazil who is restoring a wood boat...lol. Had they not selected Yaba and opted for something that just needed some paint and new bilge pump we would not be talking about it. IMO its still risky for them as with any new business but I feel their plan is off to a solid start.

Youtube is a fascinating space right now that is evolving rapidly. There are many smart and fascinating people out there. I for one enjoy it tremendously.

 

[tiltrider1]

Actually, after watching most of their videos and reading some of the comments and seeing how fast their channel has grown, several things are apparent.

*Many of their subscribers have been sent from another very successful channel

* they know the people from the other successful channel. This other successful channel has spawned several other channels now.

* Yaba is likely a carefully selected project almost solely for the purpose of having a sustained youtube channel/instagram page/patreon acct for the purposes of employment/income

* paying attention here and there they likely have background help and know people in the business (both boat and youtube) and area.

* the goal is not a viable boat, but a viable channel/job/income. Yaba is solely the means selected for the extended channel that could supply income for several years and maybe longer.

* they are much much smarter/ entrepreneurial than we are giving them credit for. The boat selection is by design IMO.

As evidence of the above we are all discussing and monitoring a couple in Brazil who is restoring a wood boat...lol. Had they not selected Yaba and opted for something that just needed some paint and new bilge pump we would not be talking about it. IMO its still risky for them as with any new business but I feel their plan is off to a solid start.

Youtube is a fascinating space right now that is evolving rapidly. There are many smart and fascinating people out there. I for one enjoy it tremendously.

This is pretty much what I was alluding to in an earlier post.