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Greetings,
Mr. W. See post #22.
Mr. W. See post #22.
Wouldn't "fleet" be appropriate?
....bottom line is that the light sectors are not to be confusing....the USCG just says that if you HAVE light boards....they are to be flat black to prevent reflections...
Show me the regulation that says this.
The reg cited states that IF the boards are required for sector definition, they must be black. Not all boats require boards for sector definition and the regs do not prohibit their installation on boats not requiring them. On those boats not required to have boards by the Navrules, light board may or may not be installed and their color is not addressed by the Navrules.
Agree. The geese should have a contrast background not affecting light/color emission.You could have a fleet of anything even bakery trucks, but it would be only a tow of tugs. That's like maybe a gaggle of geese----not a flock.
.........................but the Ranger tugs and their cheap plastic...HIGHLY STUPID red/green light bards still bug me....
Why not contact them and ask them why they are producing illegally equipped boats?
They might thank you for pointing out their mistake before they get involved in a lawsuit.
Or they might not.............
Maybe they haven't got the 72 COLREGS yet. That is when the matte black screens were decided upon. If your boat was built before July '77, when 72 COLREGS went into effect, thry may even be grandfathered.
Can't say for sure about grandfathering...but in the US the USCG's opinion on the matter is the flat black is there for a decidedly good reason and the way the COLREGS/NAVRULES are worded despite all the sea lawyering...is that the flat black eliminates reflected glare and therefore lessens the possibility of misinterpreting the light sector.
If you are an inspected vessel you will be required to change if/when the inspector notices (and probably will)...if not inspected...the only way someone may make a big deal about it is on a USCGAUX inspection if the inspector even knows the reg, a boarding and the barding officer is REALLY sharp AND aggressive or if you are involved in an incident.
I had one of those inspections and the inspector started to get on me for not having an engine compartment blower. I had to point out to the inspector that a diesel powerd boat is not required to have a blower....the only way someone may make a big deal about it is on a USCGAUX inspection if the inspector even knows the reg, ........... .
Somebody needs to tell these manufactures that they are producing illegally equipped boats before someone gets injured or killed.
I had one of those inspections and the inspector started to get on me for not having an engine compartment blower. I had to point out to the inspector that a diesel powerd boat is not required to have a blower.
When they inspect my boat they just look to see if the lights work. They don't check the angle, brightness or location.
(emphasis added)§ 84.09 Screens. (a) The sidelights of vessels of 20 meters or more in length shall be fitted with mat black inboard screens and meet the requirements of § 84.17. On vessels of less than 20 meters in length, the sidelights, if necessary to meet the requirements of § 84.17, shall be fitted with mat black inboard screens. With a combined lantern, using a single vertical filament and a very narrow division between the green and red sections, external screens need not be fitted.
(emphasis added)
Let's just suppose that the light fixtures themselves meet the requirements of § 84.17 without external screens. Wouldn't it then be perfectly legal to put colored screens behind them for whatever reason, even style?
With all due respect, you're telling us your opinion and that we should take your word for it, but you cite no written guidance in support of that position. Post #34 has no proof of anything...just you saying this is another anonymous guy's interpretation.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't believe everything I read on the internet. You cite your USCG experience in nearly every other post, even when it has no bearing on the discussion. My working for the FAA for 30+ years as a flight inspector didn't make me an expert on every aviation regulation and an official source for legal interpretation of the regs. When legal readings were provided, they came from officials responsible for that job with a source and complete legal references. That's all I'm asking for here...not opinions like "highly stupid."
And let's remember that we're not talking about inspected vessels here. These are privately owned recreational boats in this discussion. As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts, Ma'am."
With all due respect, you're telling us your opinion and that we should take your word for it, but you cite no written guidance in support of that position. Post #34 has no proof of anything...just you saying this is another anonymous guy's interpretation.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't believe everything I read on the internet. You cite your USCG experience in nearly every other post, even when it has no bearing on the discussion. My working for the FAA for 30+ years as a flight inspector didn't make me an expert on every aviation regulation and an official source for legal interpretation of the regs. When legal readings were provided, they came from officials responsible for that job with a source and complete legal references. That's all I'm asking for here...not opinions like "highly stupid."
And let's remember that we're not talking about inspected vessels here. These are privately owned recreational boats in this discussion. As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts, Ma'am."
I was also unaware that credibility was based on the number of posts that were made on this forum.
And the winner of this pissing contest is..............................
Eric:
As it happens, I come from a long line of professional mariners (ship captains, barpilots, tug boat operators) and I'm pretty sure I can identify a pissing contest when I see one, maritime related or not. I was also unaware that credibility was based on the number of posts that were made on this forum.
On another note, we had a Willy 30 in our family for years. Loved that little boat.