I just hope everyone is as happy with their hull amd the speeds it can go as I am with mine.
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I just hope everyone is as happy with their hull amd the speeds it can go as I am with mine.
Chris,
What you're talking about is hard to do. I'm going to throw out some guesses but bear in mind I'm no NA and have very little experience w bigger boats.
Sure, but does it illustrate that it's sorta difficult to pick a boat that will "do everything" if designs in the marketplace are so limited most will only do one thing?
If you were able to pick a boat that met all those conditions... would it be a "wrong" boat because a) it can run (almost) equally well at more than one speed range, and b) you want it to be able to do that?
-Chris
In the boat collision thread, most would say 16 to
18 knows at night would be too fast...
I'm wondering why you go at any speed other than 16 to 18 knots. Why?
Art wrote;
"FD Hull: Can easily travel from 0 knots to hull speed or any place in between at considerably low fuel use - but is not designed to travel above hull speed without multi/multi X power and fuel use."
For the umteenth time FD boats don't go hull speed. That's the realm of SD boats. Way too fast for FD. If that's not so it's not FD. If "it"goes hull speed w any reasonable grace and economy it's a SD boat.
No need to go below hull speed on a SD. Hull speed may be or likely is it's best speed.
Planing hulls are not economical at any speed. And near hump speed they are almost worthless. Of course nobody runs there unless they want to do some wakeboarding.
I'm wondering why you go at any speed other than 16 to 18 knots. Why?
Seems pretty easy to me. My JD 4045 TFM75 reaches peak torque at 1,800 RPM.
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Ted
So I'm basically an idealist and gravitate toward ideal things. But others are not and I was seen as one to be trying to fit others into my mould. Most of it was just being an idealist but to some extent I probably was pushing my ideas off on others. Sorry.
Guess Linda and I are odd bods
Some times we like to eek along at 5 knots minus running one engine on our Tolly
Other times we like doing 7 knots [just under mathematical hull speed of 7.58 knots] with the twins both running
Then again we at times enjoy cruising on full plane at 17 knots.
Going WOT thrills us too at 22/23 knots
Then there's our Crestliner runabout... gentle cruise at 25 knots is a joy for us both. Top end in the 38/39 knot range can be great fun too.
We like all speeds in each boat, greatly depending on our mood for the moment... Guess we're simply odd bods!
Wifey B: Obviously we're with you and sometime I want a really fast boat. 60 knots would be about right but might settle for slightly less.
We love cruising at different speeds based on where we are and what our plans are. Our looping required a bit of all of it. 4.3 knots to 32 knots.
We don't eek along on one engine though. For 4.3 knots all we could do was touch it a bit then let off.
It doesn't mean others don't look for ideal. It's just their ideal is different than yours and you try to say yours is the only ideal.
Just came in from the first "What in the Hell is broke" trial run on a perfectly flat water day with the sun as bright as a dollar and the moutains capped to the timber line in fresh deep power snow.
What a Spring break!!!:
Radar -no power,: other than that all systems up and running. Speaking of running, small tides-1000 RPM-4.5 Knots 1450 RPM- 5.8-6 knots. 1600 RPM- 6.4-6.8 knots 1700 RPM-6.9-7.3 knots. Max RPM WOT 2150 RPM. Settled at the 1600 RPM for the three hour run.
Happy!
Al-Ketchikan
But as I said nobody's going to change a boat by wanting to go a different speed. And as several to many have pointed out one can go whatever speed but if a boat was designed for 10 knots usually going 6 or 14 would indicate that this person has the wrong boat.
So I'm talking about boats .. not owners or operators. But I am talking the act of running them "improperly" and if enough of this running out of the propper range is done having a more suitable boat would obviously be better.
I'll leave it at I've heard you argue this many times and I don't and will never agree with you. You're so incredibly fixated on looking at it your way and that any other way is wrong. Boats are not designed just to be boats, they are designed for users.
I do like it Art,
I've only had two slow boats in my life excluding canoes and kayaks. Kayak was my forst boat. Built it as a kit from Deadham Mass when I was twelve. Canvas covered w hundreds of copper tacks. Aircraft dope (not included in the kit) and paint. Was very light.
My powerboats before trawlering were all outboards 10 to 28'. I have five outboards (engines) now and several boats. Remember I was "manyboats" until PeterB talked me into returning to my original name.
Personally a planing boat has two speeds, hull speed comming and going from a harbor and just above hump speed. I run my 18' deep V (Winner) the shy side of 20 knots. See no point in going faster. If it was a lot flatter on the bottom I'd run her closer to 15.
And you're very right I do'nt have much experience in bigger boats. A lot of experience arround bigger boats but very little underway. Would really like a long skinny lobsterboat w OB power .. twins.
So my Willard is quite far off the mark from my ideal boat.
Chris,
Looks like I've offended you. Was'nt the intent.
Also I'm a student of hull design and running a hull at a speed it was not designed to do is a bit like chalk the wrong way on a blackboard.
There is a perfect speed, a good cruising speed range, acceptable speeds and whatever the boat will do within the realm of costs, both monetarily and for comfort ect ect.
So I'm basically an idealist and gravitate toward ideal things. But others are not and I was seen as one to be trying to fit others into my mould. Most of it was just being an idealist but to some extent I probably was pushing my ideas off on others. Sorry.
What you and others are think'in about is about you and your whims. What I'm talking about is what a boat is designed for. Design wise a boat is matched and aligned to a specific speed range or in some cases speed ranges. All the whims of however many owners are'nt going to change the engine thrust or hull shape or displacement of a boat. And liking to run a 25 knot boat at 7 knots dos'nt make it a good speed for the boat. One can run a boat at whatever speed. It's their boat and only they will suffer if there's any suffering to be done.
So I'm talking about boats .. not owners or operators. But I am talking the act of running them "improperly" and if enough of this running out of the propper range is done having a more suitable boat would obviously be better.