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  1. jovial_cynic

    Home vs Boat

    Interestingly, ever since I posted a link to the podcast on the facebook Trawler and Liveaboard group, I've had a huge spike in listeners in the "Male, 50+ and older" group. Makes sense!
  2. jovial_cynic

    Home vs Boat

    Awesome. I'm glad I get to stick around! For folks recommending the Technomadia videos, thanks! I have watched a few of them. Lots of good info. My wife and I run a podcast (www.dropanchorpodcast.com) where we have been talking through this whole decision-making process. I think we have more...
  3. jovial_cynic

    Home vs Boat

    After much deliberation (I started this thread back in April!), my wife and I settled in on this: 1. Buy a less expensive boat which won't require much of a loan. We're buying a 1991 Bayliner 4588 and moving aboard. 2. Sell the house, and buy a smaller house that makes more sense as a rental...
  4. jovial_cynic

    All the Liveaboard Adventures?

    Thanks for the snark! A forum is fundamentally different than a social media site for this purpose, in that the content has a greater persistence value on a forum.
  5. jovial_cynic

    All the Liveaboard Adventures?

    Is there a directory here for all of the different liveaboard youtube channels, blogs, facebook groups, etc? It seems like a handy bit of information to have pinned to the top of this section of the site! If you guys post a link below and maybe a short one-sentence synopsis, I'll copy/paste and...
  6. jovial_cynic

    Cost of Boating?

    When I've done my calculations, I've often forgotten about the cost of moorage and insurance... but in the opposite way that most people forget about it. We're *already* paying for moorage and insurance on our 40' Tolly, and getting into a liveaboard situation with a larger boat isn't going to...
  7. jovial_cynic

    Cost of Boating?

    Fair point. Here's the actual line of questioning: Assuming equal high quality of boat condition, I'm trying to figure out if a $400k 1999 navigator 5800 is going to cost twice as much as a $200k 1996 bayliner 4788 on an annual basis. Assuming everything else being equal. I've already penciled...
  8. jovial_cynic

    Cost of Boating?

    Hey folks - I've read quite a bit online about the 10%-15% of the boat price being spent annually for maintenance and usage, tabulating everything from moorage (fixed) to fuel costs (variable). A part of me wonders if the "boat price" really should be based on length, hull material, and usage...
  9. jovial_cynic

    Considering a liveaboard

    The 5800 has a 17'+ beam, so this may be a different creature entirely. I think our experience looking at the larger Tollys is that the lack of exterior walk-around was a little uncomfortable for us. Yes, we enjoyed the larger interior space, but we also want to be able to get around the...
  10. jovial_cynic

    What's the story on Navigator Yachts?

    I'm looking at buying a 1999 5800 here in the near future. I've been asking questions in another thread about fuel economy, since the brochures mention it as a selling point; this has caused some debate, and I'd like to ask some current large navigator owners so I can get a straighter answer...
  11. jovial_cynic

    What's your cruising speed.

    As everybody's *actual* figures on a large boat seem to be double the estimate given by the owner of this boat, I'm really thinking that they were mistaken, and that the figures were just for one of the two engines. That's disheartening.
  12. jovial_cynic

    Home vs Boat

    I am 40. So I have some time, but ordinarily, the financial advisors would say that I should use this time to aggressively invest, what with my 20+ year time horizon before retirement. Man, this is a hard choice. My wife and I have successfully bounced from house to house, and we've been very...
  13. jovial_cynic

    Home vs Boat

    Supposing you had a mortgage... let's say a $300k to $500k mortgage. If you could sell it and pick up whatever equity you had in it, would you ever consider buying a $300k to $500k boat and having a similar loan amount? My wife and I are going back and forth between a big expensive boat that...
  14. jovial_cynic

    Considering a liveaboard

    I think my wife and I are looking at a Navigator 5800. We didn't originally plan to spend so much money, but that's sort of how it goes, I suppose. The 3 larger staterooms, plus the fact that the master is separated from the other two makes living with teenagers a little more tolerable. I'm...
  15. jovial_cynic

    What's your cruising speed.

    Also, from the navigator website: "Navigator Yachts hull shape was designed with one thing in mind: make the best use of a minimum amount of fuel and horsepower, and retain the maximum amount of boat speed and efficiency. In doing so, Navigator created a wide hull shape that is stable at rest...
  16. jovial_cynic

    What's your cruising speed.

    Per my broker, who piloted it from Olympia to Seattle, when I asked the actual fuel economy he experienced: "That [fuel economy] is for both as when we speak about fuel it is the total for both. When we ran it to Seattle we avg 12 to 14 knts and the owner said we would use 12 to 14 gal per hr...
  17. jovial_cynic

    What's your cruising speed.

    I'm looking at 2000 Navigator 5800 with twin Volvo TAMD 122 EDC engines, and the listing says it has a cruising speed of 17 knots at 2100 rpms... but at 22 gallons of fuel per hour! That's quite a bit more than my old Tollycraft, which gets around 4 gallons of hour, hovering around 8 knots...
  18. jovial_cynic

    Considering a liveaboard

    Yeah - the 4788 is really 2.5 staterooms. Two are reasonable, and the third typically gets converted into a closet for the master stateroom. It's interesting. I'm not certain that it'll work, but we like everything else about the boat. My 40' Tolly has similar engine room clearance, so it feels...
  19. jovial_cynic

    Considering a liveaboard

    So far, the only boats with an interior layout that seem to work well for our family is the Bayliner 4588 and 4788. We'll look at some more boats later this week (they all kind of blurr together after looking at so many!), but between the main cabin entrance in the back, galley on the same...
  20. jovial_cynic

    Adventure #1: Getting her home

    Every now and then, my wife and I talk about this adventure with the Matthews, and to this day, that first journey down from Bremerton down to Olympia was the best date we've had in our 17 years together. I went through and re-read this thread, and I want to just give a big thanks to everyone...
  21. jovial_cynic

    Considering a liveaboard

    I'm mechanically and electronically savvy, and I'm finding that a lot of that skillset transfers over to my current boat. Hopefully that helps! And as for the slips - yup. I'm on a waiting list currently. As for the house... I disagree. At least in the South Puget Sound, all of my realtor...
  22. jovial_cynic

    Best live aboard trawler for <$40,000?

    Funny thing. I didn't realize the original post was back in 2012, so I PM'd the guy asking if he was still looking for a boat, as I'm listing my 40' Tolly soon. haha... I had to send a follow-up message apologizing, as I'm sure he's found a boat since then.
  23. jovial_cynic

    Considering a liveaboard

    Hey folks - My wife and I have enjoyed our 40' Tolly for the past year, and we're now thinking about selling the house and moving onboard a boat for good. (Or at least until the housing market comes back down so we can sell high and buy low!) Anyhow, the 40' Tolly is great for vacationing, but...
  24. jovial_cynic

    Wiring Gremlins

    On my twin diesel Tollycraft with an upper and lower set of gauges (so, 4 sets of gauges in all), I'm trying to track down an electrical gremlin. Here's what I know: Each of the lower gauges has TWO sensor wires going into it. For example, the water temp gauge has a 12v+ and a ground, and then...
  25. jovial_cynic

    Marine Radio options

    You are absolutely correct. Because I'm new to boating, this question was posed to help not only inform me of what is commonly done, but the reasons for the setups that folks have chosen. When you are new, you don't know what you don't know, and I am learning a lot in this thread about the...
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